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    Posted: 17 Dec 2010 at 11:50am
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I came across this illustration which is helpful in explaining graphically rod load angles.
 
 
 
The recommended max height for graphite rods is 45, any higher and there is no real advantage from the rod, only increasing potential for a breakage due to a high sticking.  Some rod manufacturers like Smiths, do say that experienced anglers can push the boundaries up to 60 degrees on certain rods like the GTK stickbait and WRC popper rods.
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interesting Chris never really thought about it but 45 seems about common and more comfy when fighting a fish 
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Saw an article on that a while back, made a lot of sense. What was interesting was that it showed that if you were fisghting fish going straight down (ish), the best rod to use is a bent butt, as your maximum power/lift angle is in play more than with a straight butt rod. Onl problem with that is that if the fish goes out long on the surface, you have a reverse issue really, it is too difficult to lift the rod tip high enough to be effective. Still, I have a stand-up bent butt set that I used for a while that was just lethal on kingies and puka at the ranfurly and white, until I statrted using smaller reels loaded with braid etc. Hell...., that musta been a fair while ago now! .....tempus fugit!
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i would fish 60% most of the time with a rod that is fast tapper not parabolic....
so i guess it depends on the rod action as well whether you would go any higher...

watching some programs on TV and seeing guys high sticking just makes me cringe, how some of them dont break is beyond me...

i remember a guy complaining about his broken rod and wanted a replacement, he said his mate got it breaking on video,
when i watched it, i just could not believe how far back he bent this rod....
would you believe he was lying on his back with rod at the same angle as his body and line was running over the rail of the charter boat he was fishing from....
now the rod was solid glass which is pretty bullet prof for most dick heads that dont know too much about fishing but that is just going why over the top...


   
 
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LOL Yes, I have seen some shockers myself, the faith some people have in the unbreakablity of their gear just astounds... What I really love is the point loading you see (as long as it is not a loaner rod I have let someone use of course),,, with rods laid across rails half way up the rod and them speed-jigging for kingies, really cranking on their reels.... one hit from a king and... that makes for a LOT of semi-rods, I can tell you. Or folks using a long rod to try lifting a fish up over a rail and into the boat, shhheeeesshhhhh.... and the look of injured innocence when the inevitable "CRACK!!" comes!
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that diagram looks wrong to me.... the 0% line should be the 45..... since line angle is based on your line not the ocean surface. 
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I always considor holding my rod straight out as 0 degrees and don't go beyond 45 degrees.
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Originally posted by hookerpuka hookerpuka wrote:

that diagram looks wrong to me.... the 0% line should be the 45..... since line angle is based on your line not the ocean surface. 
Isnt the line angle the same in all of them?
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If it's based around a fish being vertically below the boat like it would appear to be in the 0 degree scenario that would be the 45 degree angle.
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Basically the safe area is where the rod feels like its working and is comfortable. High sticking you loose feel and the not only does it get point end loaded but the mid section starts to wonder around. It shouldn't take even a novice long to feel the difference especially when show by someone with more experience. The main danger is when the angler gets the fish close and feels the need to put the tip skywards, bad mistake.
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not sure what HP is on about but im happy with my fisherman with the but section up to 60 degrees
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I abuse the maximum parameters of my graphite rods regularly Embarrassed , to date haven't broken one because of it...but I don't let others abuse them so! 

I enjoy a good 60degree angle..
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Originally posted by falco falco wrote:

not sure what HP is on about but im happy with my fisherman with the but section up to 60 degrees

 Look at a protractor. I'm sure you can work it out :D make the straight edge you line and go from there Wink 
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I've gone U-shaped on graphite fly rods but you don't get any more pulling power - I've checked by connecting to scales and having someone read.
That's an exercise worth doing to check drag and rod bend.
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I am certain I go past 60 degrees on my surf rods when playing fish, but automatically reduce the angle if the fish starts to run.
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If you are over 60deg, and the fish starts to really run, then wouldn't the load go lower down the rod, making for a more parabolic (sorta) shape, reducing the point loading on the rod tip section? If there was bugger all pull on the rod and it was only the tip being bent down, that'd be the meanest point loading then wouldn't it, right at the most delicate part of the rod? Then as you get closer to 90deg or worse, all the load would just transfer straight back to the tip again, and for sure go blammo....
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No I think the point is that after 45 you lose the parabolic shape and the load increases on the middle top section with the load increasingly going towards the tip as the angle gets increased.

The further away the line angle the higher you can lift the rod...

Quick diagram from my understanding...please correct me if im wrong?


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Yep, that seems pretty good.
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