Alloy hull pitting

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    Posted: 23 Aug 2010 at 11:18am
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Hey guys

I have noticed when wiping out the bilge yesterday that there is some pitting in my hull, I will try take some photos to show you, they are small rough patches the biggest being slightly smaller than a 5c piece - the pit part being a small dot.

 
Is this normal?
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Is the boat a Ramco?
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na its an 4.5 year old marco 570
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http://www.powerofaluminium.com/html/corrosion_resistance.htm

read that one it explains pitting ....

I just hope its not electrolosis which can be cause by lead etc sitting on the ali and the dissimilar metals reacting.
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Did you find a sinker in the bilge?
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A few basic possibilities. 
1) The alloy is not good quality marine grade. We have this on one half of a Ramco hull. One side perfect, one side with pitting that we are sorting out
2) There were pencil lines left on the hull. Apparently lead pencil if not cleaned off can cause pitting
3) There has been a sinker or some other foreign metal inside the hull.

Are you looking under the floor, or in the open bilge? I would also send the photos to Marco and get their feedback as well.
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I found no sinkers or anything down there, its on the hull plate in the under floor area on the boat, more concentrated nearer the back rather than in the front compartment.. Ill take some photos tonight

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Ensure that NO electrics are earthed to the hull. 
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Originally posted by CEEBEE CEEBEE wrote:

Ensure that NO electrics are earthed to the hull. 
 
 
What he said...interesting about pencil lead causing a reaction...
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Yeah the next things could be stainless fittings that are electrically bonded to the Alloy hull, but doubtful in that area close to the problem...meaning not insulated with rubber,nylon,plastic,etc...
So photos would be good mate.
 
I also wonder if sacrificial Zinc Anodes would be sensible on an alloy hull... anyone know?
 
Other theories are an earthing wire off the hull to a ground rod when the boat is parked/stored.
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one lose wire can do funky things to alloy .....
skull draging and taging
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Doubtful if it is electrolysis, if so the entire outer hull surface in the affected area (below the waterline) will be chewed off.  Typically there is NEVER electrolysis pitting INSIDE the hull as the contact with seawater that is part of the circuit occurs outside the hull. 
 
If it is chemical corrosion of the ali (as in cases where a non-marine grade plate found it's way into the stack going thorugh the marking machine and ended up getting sent out with the rest of the 5083) then you end up with areas that look like white powdery worms have chewed into the ali.  You grind them out for welding and end up with slots to weld up.  Real ugly...
 
In your case as it appears to be inside the bilge in an area that doesn't get exposed to the full seawater effects of electrical conductivity and electrolysis I would be interested to find out what you use to clean the boat or if there has ever been any unusual cleaning products or chemicals spilt inside the boat.  As the chemical corrosion of ali normally results in white powdery deposits I would put forward the opinion that something has been spilt in the boat that has reacted with the ali as it flowed down into the stern, hence the amount of corrosion increasing towards the arse.
 
Once the white powdery deposits have been cleaned off you end up with pitting.  I would measure the pits, if any are more that 15% of the plate thickness consider puddle weld repairs.  If they are shallow, clean back with a wire buff in a drill and treat with an ali corrosion preventer and monitor them. 
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Good answer Evan, some cleaner chemical compound sounds more likely to be the culprit in the bilge area, can't see it being electrolysis issues...
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Alright there ya go!
 
The last couple are of bubbling paint i have on a quite a few patches around the boat. Im not sure if this has anything to do with it or not.. I have a feeling I dont want to know whats actualy going on.......
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Bubbling paint around fittings is sadly quite normal. The other stuff looks a bit like our Ramco with one dodgy plate on the hull. Does yours affect both sides of the hull or only one side?
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I would be quite happy about the bubbling paint being normal, I have thought it was something bad specific to this boat for ages. So if its bad, but common/normal im in a funny way happy.

Its on both sides of the hull. To be honest it may have sat with salt water in the bilge at one time or another, I always give it a good spray out but the thing is all the water doesnt drain out. even with the jockey wheel fully extended and its far to heavy to just lift up for all the water to drain out. after finding this i think i will dry it out with a towel every time from now on...
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Those first 3 or 4 photos are quite common on alloy boats, especially in the bilge area - if you lift the entire floor sometimes it goes a fair way up the length of hull.
Still dont know why, as you can have four boats of the same model that are perfect and then the next one will pin hole like above ???  sometimes its the boat that is very well looked after that corrodes (i.e. low hours, bilge always washed out and dried, stored inside etc)
Most hull builders know about lead pencils and I would hope they dont use this method of marking any more.


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You could possibly clean the under floor really well and then cover every thing in some fisholene oil, after which cleaning  becomes a simple matter of hosing..... with no need to towel dry 
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Originally posted by Cachelot Cachelot wrote:

Originally posted by CEEBEE CEEBEE wrote:

Ensure that NO electrics are earthed to the hull. 
 
 
What he said...interesting about pencil lead causing a reaction...
Aren't the 'leads' in pencils graphite these days?
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quote ...If they are shallow, clean back with a wire buff in a drill and treat with an ali corrosion preventer and monitor them. 
busted, could you elaborate  a bit on where to get this corosion preventer and what its called ..
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