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I have a Garmin late model chirp sonar. But I have never seen anything that looks like snapper on it. What do snapper look like. Someone mentioned "haystacks", but I dont know what that is.
Anyone experienced can advise me. Some examples pictures would be great.
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What type of garmin unit?? various models ,my striker 4  showed clumps until I read manual and went in to a side unit which has 3 or 4 different setting as to what symbols you want. symbol that shows depth on fish,  sizes you want etc

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Garmin 95SV, 3 years old. Says Chirp, but Must say I am extremely disappointed if thats all chirp is. Basically, I expected to see those individual "arcs", and havent seen one yet., in about 60 trips.
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I used this one for my striker and worked for me.

Have definate symbols and clear,doesnt tell me if hungry today or what they are feeding on.Cry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V5XsZpsziM
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Thanks. What are haystacks?
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Originally posted by letsgetem letsgetem wrote:

Thanks. What are haystacks?
I have no idea sorry, manual doesnt realyy explain stuff,and shop we brought it from not much use.

I use in 30m or less for structure details,and when it beeps as fish pass by normally get bites, seem important the beam angle as deeper you go the wider the beam,think its set to 17 degrees. Left it to boy to set up.technology is his thing.
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Haystacks are exactly how you imagine them to be, triangular in shape hard down on your sounder, its unmistakable when you see them on your sounder.
I gather you are drifting ?
I've hardly seen a haystack at anchor, never in winter as there's not enough numbers of them to form a haystack when on mass (auckland winter) prolly different in northern waters

If on the drift & you see a haystack, stop on top of it straight away & drop down on it = instant fish, its that simple.... using sliders softies micros

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So are haystacks a group of snapper, tight together so they dont show as separate fish on the sonar? What are they doing - not feeding?
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Originally posted by letsgetem letsgetem wrote:

I have a Garmin late model chirp sonar. But I have never seen anything that looks like snapper on it. What do snapper look like. Someone mentioned "haystacks", but I dont know what that is.
Anyone experienced can advise me. Some examples pictures would be great.


Nor all sounders will show fish marks in the same way and I would guess also which transducer you have. Below if shot I took of my Furuno 295 showing snapper & tarakihi. Bottom lock on the left and full depth scale on the right, tarakihi hard on the bottom and snapeer above.
Everybody will interpret what they are looking at differently so it can be hard to explain what you should be lookiing for.

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I have the same sounder as you and I don’t get the arches either, but as above I do look for haystacks on the bottom, I think to get the arches you would need to be anchored up, zoomed in, bottom locked and have no bottom clatter to see individual fish and they would have to be big specimens.

There are really good vids on YouTube that show you how to use sounder’s properly and I’ve found the Garmin guys at the boat show really good as well.

I only drift fish so I just use the standard settings work fine for me.
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Yes, haystacks are a school of snapper on the bottom. As already mentioned, you aren't likely to see them unless drifting.
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I have a similar model Garmin 9 inch echomap ( might be the same? ) mines 3 years old too.

I get pretty good readings on mine although I don't fish really deep, mostly 50 metres or less.

I don't have many pics but heres a recent one in 23m of a snapper haystack on the bottom, you can actually see one of our lines off to the right and 
I'd say that's the softbait or jig being lifted and dropped back far right near the bottom.


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That's a perfect pic of a haystack from a well set up FF.Thank you TF
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Originally posted by Troutzilla Troutzilla wrote:

I have a similar model Garmin 9 inch echomap ( might be the same? ) mines 3 years old too.

I get pretty good readings on mine although I don't fish really deep, mostly 50 metres or less.

I don't have many pics but heres a recent one in 23m of a snapper haystack on the bottom, you can actually see one of our lines off to the right and 
I'd say that's the softbait or jig being lifted and dropped back far right near the bottom.


Very nice pick, I see you’ve got your gain on auto do you run your other sounder Settings on auto.
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On Facebook there's a guy called Josh Western and he used to do fish finder training, on yr boat with yr gear, he took me out best 2 hrs showed me exactly how my unit worked and so on, where abouts are you based
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I purchased the book 'How to Use an Echo Sounder / Fish Finder' by John Adams some years ago.  It's a good read.
Here is a short youtube vid from him about gain settings.
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Kandrew - I see you have gain on auto. When I put gain on auto the screen becomes very cluttered with extraneous stuff. 
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And Im wondering if I should set the angle to maximum ?
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I think it’s really about the gain that’s what increases the signal from the transducer back to the head unit. I’ve played with zoom and gain but depth on the bottom say if it’s mud. To much and the signal will lose the bottom.

But you do have to keep playing with the gain as you drift along and change depth as you get shallower you can end up with more screen clatter.
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