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Folks, I've had disappointing results with what used to be my go to berley - salmon - since the ITM Fishing Show-endorsed ones seemed to vanish from the shops. They used to flow away in a magical oily slick of small fragments.

The last "salmon" berley I bought from one of the big retail chains stays together like a jelly, doesn't disperse well. It didn't have the same pink/orange colour as the ITM ones either, more brownie, and it was in much bigger chunks.

So, I'm keen to hear opinions on the best berley going around at the moment, and where you get it from.

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we used 20kg of chicken pellets and bait bin 'fish juice' in the weekend on the Manukau. got some big snaps and only one little shark. Worked for us.
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Berleymate lasts ages. Proven Gurnard slayer LOL Give it good shakes every few minutes best from boat and you can get pellets too. 
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Originally posted by Muppet Muppet wrote:

Berleymate lasts ages. Proven Gurnard slayer LOL Give it good shakes every few minutes best from boat and you can get pellets too. 

Funny, I used to use that or something similar (the solid sausage style) when I was rock fishing in my younger days, but I thought it went off the market. Good to know it's still around - it's certainly much less hassle. Drop a bit of that old salmon stuff in the boat, and it went everyone.
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I have found the canned salmon product Burnsco works well enough & has the advantage of being able to be kept aboard ready for use unfrozen.
 
Contrary to the instructions I find opening one end completely & the other partially helps it disperse more readily & at $10 for a twin pack, usually toss both into the berley pot. Any residual can be frozen then added to the pot along with the new ones next time out.
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Originally posted by smudge smudge wrote:

we used 20kg of chicken pellets and bait bin 'fish juice' in the weekend on the Manukau. got some big snaps and only one little shark. Worked for us.
Interesting, Smudge. Do you soak the pellets in the bin first, or straight into the tide?
I bought a paper bag of the 'fish pellets' from Top Catch, but didn't have a huge amount of confidence that they would break up to create an effective slick. The old salmon berley used to have clouds of piper etc hanging around in next to no time.
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I like the Pete Lamb Bonito bombs at the moment. Or Kina+Mussel if I'm targeting specifically.
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Originally posted by Rozboon Rozboon wrote:

I like the Pete Lamb Bonito bombs at the moment. Or Kina+Mussel if I'm targeting specifically.

The shellfish ones sound like they'd be candy for those south coast blue moki. I wonder if Pete 'exports' up north? 
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Save all your bits and pieces ,KY frames maccys etc.Keep any household scraps chicken carcasses, even the likes of leftover rice.
Mince it all up with fillers if you like , pig/chook pellets old bread.
Dash of tuna oil if you have it.
Works great, and you know what's in it.
I have been disappointed by the pruce and quality of some of the commercial berley out there lately..Even have had some that were "off".
If you get caught short cheap dog roll is effective.just put the whole roll in your wobble pot and it rumbles around chipping bits off.
Also have been told that salmon berley is going to be discontinued...Not sure if that is correct tho.
Agree with muppet on the berleymate logs..Carrots love them!
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I fish mainly at Coromandel so avoid mussel as thats one of the main things on the menu so will do little to help the fish make up their minds to leave mussel to chase mussel.
I use Kina when ever I can get it. If I can get it I chase the neighbors down there to get their waste (minus the row of course) and use that. Kina are probably the only thing snapper love more than mussel
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I like the Salty Dog pilchard and Bonito. Comes in 3 and 5kg. Seems to have a lot of oily runny goo that disperses widely, plus bigger bits. Price $10 for 3kg is less than some others.
 
I want it to disperse for 2 hours, but it varies from 1-2 hours.
I haven't quite got on top of how to get it dispersing at the rate I like. The wobbly pot net has big holes, so that doesn't restrict it. Its a complicated combination of how much slicing the plastic bag, and how strong the current is. Possibly by the time Im dead I will have figured it out.
 
usually, from lowering the berley, takes about 30 minutes for bites to start; presume the fish are attracted from elsewhere nearby. If nothing worthwhile in 60 45 minutes I usually give up there.  
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I believe the best burley is the expected food type in the area, eg up north east in close smashed up kina and mussellls is best for snapper over the reefy/foul systems to about 60-80ft deep with a light current/tidal stream.

For Kingfish over the same turf, pillie and a bonito/skipjack berley.

For Snapper over the sand and low lying foul and coral, pillie and skippy berley.

I know salmon berley is popular but to me is unnatural and is illogical if you are not using salmon as your bait.

In a harbour situation where the intended capture are visiting fish that move up and down with the tide and eventually leave the harbour, then any berley will attract them, getting them to stay is another matter, again dependant upon tide/current that is not too deep.
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I use the salmon berley, but i put it in an onion sack to stop it from flowing out too quickly, and throw down cubes of fish pieces soaked in tuna oil every now and again for a bit of variety. Seems to keep the snapper interested anyway.
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Originally posted by letsgetem letsgetem wrote:

I like the Salty Dog pilchard and Bonito. Comes in 3 and 5kg. Seems to have a lot of oily runny goo that disperses widely, plus bigger bits. Price $10 for 3kg is less than some others.
 
I want it to disperse for 2 hours, but it varies from 1-2 hours.
I haven't quite got on top of how to get it dispersing at the rate I like. The wobbly pot net has big holes, so that doesn't restrict it. Its a complicated combination of how much slicing the plastic bag, and how strong the current is. Possibly by the time Im dead I will have figured it out.
 
usually, from lowering the berley, takes about 30 minutes for bites to start; presume the fish are attracted from elsewhere nearby. If nothing worthwhile in 60 45 minutes I usually give up there.  

Very interesting, Letsgetem. I always try to pick up some Salty Dog pillies when I'm going through Hikurangi (along with some donuts from the ladies at the Hikurangi Bake House - best traditional long cream and jam donuts in NZ, I reckon!).
But I haven't tried their berley. 

Re dispersing, I always get my bomb out of the freezer a few hours before, so it's softened a bit (wrapped in newspaper). SAme with a few pillies to thaw out slowly. 
I tend to fish shallow zones with not huge currents, so use one of those cheapie plastic baskets from The Warehouse, which ensures slow distribution. I have a strip of lead inside to weigh it down. I guess with 3kg, I'd cut it into chunks to fit it in.

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Originally posted by skunk skunk wrote:

Save all your bits and pieces ,KY frames maccys etc.Keep any household scraps chicken carcasses, even the likes of leftover rice.
Mince it all up with fillers if you like , pig/chook pellets old bread.
Dash of tuna oil if you have it.
Works great, and you know what's in it.
I have been disappointed by the pruce and quality of some of the commercial berley out there lately..Even have had some that were "off".
If you get caught short cheap dog roll is effective.just put the whole roll in your wobble pot and it rumbles around chipping bits off.
Also have been told that salmon berley is going to be discontinued...Not sure if that is correct tho.
Agree with muppet on the berleymate logs..Carrots love them!

Good input, Skunk. Dad's got an old mincer thing that he processes all the frames etc with. Mainly because he hates parting with money for the likes of berley or salt ice. But I can see how if you put the time in, it's just as good or better than the bought stuff.
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Originally posted by Catchelot Catchelot wrote:

I know salmon berley is popular but to me is unnatural and is illogical if you are not using salmon as your bait.


Food for thought, Catchelot.
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Originally posted by The Tamure Kid The Tamure Kid wrote:

Originally posted by smudge smudge wrote:

we used 20kg of chicken pellets and bait bin 'fish juice' in the weekend on the Manukau. got some big snaps and only one little shark. Worked for us.
Interesting, Smudge. Do you soak the pellets in the bin first, or straight into the tide?
I bought a paper bag of the 'fish pellets' from Top Catch, but didn't have a huge amount of confidence that they would break up to create an effective slick. The old salmon berley used to have clouds of piper etc hanging around in next to no time.


i try and incorporate some fishy stuff. Usually scallop gut or mashed up bait left overs. I think the really important part is to set the berley so you are fishing into the trail. If you aren't doing that then you are inviting the fish away from your bait. I  make 'grenades' that I roll up into tennis ball sized balls with stones inside and throw them around at slack water. I know it works because I find it when cleaning the fish Evil Smile
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I think the really important part is to set the berley so you are fishing into the trail. If you aren't doing that then you are inviting the fish away from your bait.

Hell yeah...some drop it of the anchor, bit of wind swing on the warp and the trail is way out to the side...then others just hang off the stern, target bottom, and dont realise the currents down the bottom are very different to where the trail drops from the surface. and or the trail doesnt get to the bottom where the bait is.
I dont think the type of burely is so important...unless targeting a particular species at a particular depth
Our mullet/ trev frames / heads from making our own cut baits.. KY/ trev/ king/ albacore heads frames from fishing, bit left over bait.. so long as not ripe.. few pellets to thicken up, few kina thrown in and muscle shells and scales to add 'glitter'
 
Put in 2L milk bottles...and depending on the water temp, one can regulate the dispersion by no bottle in winter to cut one side of only in summer
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Made some berley last week, but it might be my last batch.  The mincer jams on bigger tougher bits of fish and I felt sore after making the batch.

To answer the original question asked by the Tamure Kid, Redfinger and I have found the Salty Dog salmon berley is the current ducks nuts.  It's available in Auckland from Fish City (I think) but certainly at Pauls kite fishing Onehunga, and strangely enough at Savebarn in Otahuhu.  Also Marine Deals have it at Avondale. Comes in 1.8Kgs and 3 kgs and Savebarn has the best deal at $8/1.8Kgs.

Some tips if you make your own berley:
- to about 30Kgs berley add about 100g MSG (monosodium glutamate) which is a fish attractant, and available from Chinese groceries for about $1/100g
- let the first berley of the day thaw out a bit on the way to the fishing spot to start with a good cloud of berley
- keep any backup berley in your chilly bin, otherwise it will disperse too quickly
- budget on about 1 to 2 Kgs berley per hour
- I put my berley in 2L icecream containers
- the whole 2L piece (and often 2 pieces) goes into a large berley bag with drawstring on top.  Mesh size about 40-50mm
- in summer it may disperse too quickly and you can use plastic bags with holes or finer berley bags to slow things down
- use about a litre of the cheapest supermarket oil per 30 Kgs

Skunk gave a few good tips if you make your own berley (scroll back up the page).  I use dog biscuits as a filler.  Put them in a bucket, pour boiling water on them, let them soften for an hour, then grind them up.  Otherwise they float, which is a WAFTAM. 
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Good on you FQ for trying to make your own.
I still think Salmon best in terms of oil slick and short term impact - look for orange coloured salmon - probably made for a good time not a long time!

I use for straylining and also more for Salt water fly fishing - casting down berley trail and trying to entice whatever really - snapper , kahawaii, trevs etc .

The other berleys still work well - positioning of berley at right depth crucial dependant on depth current etc
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