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Anyone tieing nymphs on circle hooks? Recommend any brand/pattern?
 
Thinking of tieing up the normal PT, HC etc on a few circles for the winter runs.
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What size & make are the circles Barbary?
I didn't know they were available in trout size---learn something new every dayBig%20smile
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I dont know the make - hence the question, but I do know that they are made in small sizes - ie 10-16 and that the short-stickers and czech nymphers use them.
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Do you mean Grub Hooks???
 
I tie a lot of my patterns on grub hooks.
 
Try Black magic G series or Kamasan b110.
 
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I don't know how circle hooks could be successful for dead drift fly fishing. You can't strike at a take, or it would just pull out. The fish needs to turn so the hook rolls into the corner of their mouth and sets itself.
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I don't think your searching for the correct type of hook, czech nymphs that your thinking of might have been tyed on a Super Point hook or a barbles hook, like the ones used for comp fishing.

Let me know if you find one with a barb, need some for stillwater fishing
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Originally posted by Barbary B Barbary B wrote:

Anyone tieing nymphs on circle hooks? Recommend any brand/pattern?
 

Thinking of tieing up the normal PT, HC etc on a few circles for the winter runs.


did you ever get around to trying this, and what were the results? finding the right size hook would be difficult but i canr see why this would not work - trout generally do turn when hitting a nymph so the hook should roll as expected.
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I have some small circle hooks if anyone wants to try them. ( free)
They look like they would be dynamite.
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I tied globugs and boobies on Black Magic #1/0 circles for heave and leave style fishing.   There is enough slack in this fishing style to allow the fish to swim away and tighten the line, allowing the hook to roll and to set.   Full blooded rod ripping is counterproductive and will most likely pull the hook out.    Also the gape of a #1/0 circle is wide enough to jam around the jaw of a good sized trout as  the hook rolls.
 
It pays to understand how circle work before contemplating them for any style of trout fishing such as nymphing.
1.  A circle hook will only set if it can roll over an edge.
 
2  The gape between the inward pointing point and the shank needs to be wide enough to jam around whatever edge (jaw)  that the hook shank rolls around.
 
3 Once it jams any further tension will roll the point deeper and deeper......Game over.    Try it by jamming a object (not your finger) into the gape and see how hard it is to get it back out.
 
Considering the above I cant see how a tiny #14/16 circle hook can set other than in fingerlong  minnows.
 
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Originally posted by Rainbow Rainbow wrote:

I tied globugs and boobies on Black Magic #1/0 circles for heave and leave style fishing.   There is enough slack in this fishing style to allow the fish to swim away and tighten the line, allowing the hook to roll and to set.   Full blooded rod ripping is counterproductive and will most likely pull the hook out.    Also the gape of a #1/0 circle is wide enough to jam around the jaw of a good sized trout as  the hook rolls.
 
It pays to understand how circle work before contemplating them for any style of trout fishing such as nymphing.
1.  A circle hook will only set if it can roll over an edge.
 
2  The gape between the inward pointing point and the shank needs to be wide enough to jam around whatever edge (jaw)  that the hook shank rolls around.
 
3 Once it jams any further tension will roll the point deeper and deeper......Game over.    Try it by jamming a object (not your finger) into the gape and see how hard it is to get it back out.
 
Considering the above I cant see how a tiny #14/16 circle hook can set other than in fingerlong  minnows.
 
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I do too - for what it's worth. I asked Uncle to tie me some SWF flies for kahawai. I can't recall what size they were  but they do need to be a certain size to work. Popular opinion on here was the flies worked because I was too slow on the strike ... but they worked for me! Big smile. As I was sight fishing the fish I could see them take a fly and turn away, hence the request for recurves.
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Here is an article on circles I wrote 10 years ago.     Now 10 years on I would not change a thing.
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10 December 2004

 

The Editor

NZ Fishing News

PO Box 12965

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Circle Hook Comeback From The Past

By Herb Spannagl

 

Of late much has been written about circle hooks, perhaps giving the impression that this is a new hook design for recreational anglers.   Circle hooks may indeed be relatively novel for the recreational angling sector; however commercial long liners, especially those from Asian fishing nations, have used them with deadly effect for many years.   Proof that this style dates back even longer can be found in most New Zealand museums where rows of bone hooks with inward pointing tips show that this was the traditional fishing hook shape of the various Pacific island cultures.   Even the ethnic hook ornaments sold at flea markets show the same style.

 

I must admit when I first saw these ancient museum pieces I could not help but feel sorry for the people who relied on these weird looking tools for their sustenance.    As a trout fisher I had become so used to standard U-shaped and barbed hooks that I could only see this departure from this norm as a sign of primitive backwardness.    Now that I know better I am choking on a great big mouthful of humble pie.    I am a guy that generally sees the world in terms of problems and solutions.    To me circle hooks are right up there as a practical solution to the problem of feeding prehistoric mankind under circumstances we can barely imagine.     Since I have taken an analytical interest in this hook shape I have come to realise what a masterful display of applied thinking this design really is.    The logic carries all the way through from the limitations of the materials to the method of fishing and knowledge of how fish take the bait.     Priceless intelligence, you bet!

 

Before the discovery of metal, stoneage cultures used bone, wood and tough stone as the most commonly available materials for making hooks.    Their craftsmen used the bones of large mammals, birds, and fish, perhaps even humans.    Most one-piece circle hooks were made of bone.    This material is strong and hard but when thinned down it is quite brittle and for that reason ancient hooks could not have the sharp points that became possible with bronze or iron.

 

To my knowledge, the natives of the Pacific did not use fishing rods either and therefore lacked the long lever to strike swiftly when a fish had taken the bait.   With their crude handlines the only way they could react to a bite was to tighten up and hang on.    To overcome such handicaps they developed various shapes of circle hooks that acted more like a slowly activated snare.    This hook with its acutely inward pointing tip allows fish to snare themselves and does so very efficiently even with relatively blunt bone tipped hooks.   

 

It is no accident that with circle hooks most fish caught on long lines or with rod and reel are mostly lip hooked.    In my admittedly limited experience deep hooking seldom happens with species that take the bait and move off right away.    For example the other day I caught and released more than twenty big-mouthed red cod while fishing for gurnard and not one of them was hooked deep.    I think deep hooking with circle hooks is more likely with fish species that just stay put while they swallow.   During last winter I caught several spiny dogs and eels that had swallowed the bait so deeply that only the trace was visible.

 

Like an animal activated snare, circle hooks work on the same sneaky principle.   Snares close under increasing load as the unsuspecting animal moves off.    However, this is where the comparison ends because when pulled in a straight line, circle hooks rarely set, hence the rarity of deep hooking.    They set only when pulled around a “corner” such as a fish’s mouth.    It is generally acknowledged that the rolling action that sets the point is more certain if the pull is steady rather than fast.    Fast striking is neither necessary nor helpful.     Once the point is set the hook does the rest.    Test this for yourself with a 4/0 circle hook by slightly jamming a finger between the point and the shank.    You will see how difficult it is to remove your finger from what has now turned into a pointed trap.    From that moment on any further pull rolls the point deeper in.    To pull the hook around a corner is accomplished by the fish simply moving off after taking the bait in its mouth.    When the trace tightens up against the weight of the sinker or tight line the hook starts to move but only rolls when the shank has come out and is pulled around the outer edge of the mouth.    This is the moment when fish hook themselves.

 

Most circle hooks have straight eyes.   Provided that the trace is snelled to the shank and then threaded through the eye from the back this method of tying on greatly assists the hook’s rotating action.    From what I have seen all flasher rigs tied on circle hooks are snelled and threaded that way.    You can get the same hinge effect with a ledger rig by pushing the loop trace through the front of the eye first.

 

Watch how the hook rolls into the correct position to set the point when you pull the trace around any edge.    This is how bait-attacking fish like snapper, gurnard or kingfish become lip hooked as they move off with the bait.

 

To enable circle hooks to do their sneaky work the point and some of the shank must remain exposed when baiting up.    Attach the bait so that it more or less hangs down from the bend leaving the point and shank of the hook free.   This is best accomplished by only piercing the bait once skin first.    It is a bad mistake to bury the hook point in the mistaken belief that this will fool wary fish.    It may do that but it also prevents the rolling action of the hook.    Because the inward pointing hook point is covered it is highly likely that the whole bait bundle gets pulled out of the fish’s mouth without the hook engaging anywhere.

 

The popularity of circle hooks is rising steadily for practically all classes of sea fishing from big game fishing to dredging monsters from the abyssal depths at the edge of the continental shelf.   I use them for all my bottom fishing and achieve hook-up rates that leave my trout fishing friends green with envy.    Are there any downsides?    Surely there must be some.    Problem is, after using circle hooks for over two years I have not found any.     On the contrary the use of circle hooks greatly reduces serious injury to non-target fish.     This is an important new tool for fisheries conservation and is available to anyone at no extra cost or additional effort.   

 

Like the wheel, circle hooks have been invented by people who could neither read nor write and who were forced to scratch a living with the aid of tools made of stone, wood and bones.    Thousands of years later we are still using both inventions.    It just goes to show that good things endure.

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For a fresh water (trout) application - google "Moffit System".

http://www.fieldandstream.com/articles/fishing/fly-fishing/how-fish/2009/03/look-ma-no-hooks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-gk9-IXTjw

Not saying I'd use it - but there it is - circle hooks for flossing trout.

(Overhyped in my opinion - nice idea, but why bother when small flies tied on barbless hooks will do?  And then there's the whole foul-hooking debate...)

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What I think about circle hooks vs ordinary hooks - its believed that circle hooks move, roll and catch when the fish moves away - surely, ordinary hooks when pulled by the fish (or by the angler), also catch in the lip.
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