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Im interested in what braid people use on their jigging set ups.
 
Im running 50lb at the moment and am often a little nervous winding the drag up too much if the fish is heading for the bottom.
 
Is 80lb more suitable? and will it effect the way the jig works ie effecting my strike rate?
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Im using 50lb varivas and got no problems with cranking that drag right up!!
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Depends on the kingfish size you are targeting. For the gulf or where smaller kingfish are known, 50lb is fine. But the places where big ones are known it would be safer to run 80lb
I run 68lb without issue
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Ok. Yea half way between the 2 would be ideal. Im fishing out of Merc Bay so Mercs and Aldies.

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Originally posted by Gowest Gowest wrote:

Im using 50lb varivas and got no problems with cranking that drag right up!!
 
Cheers bro. Just worries me the though of loosing a biggy when I finally find one
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Not much 50lb braid breaks at 50lb or below, unless you are using a IGFA rated braid that will hopefully break just under 50lb.

I say this as theoretically you could use very similar drag on both line classes, I am guessing its unlikely for you to use more than 50lb of drag (24kg) as:

                                                                                    A- your rod will snap?
                                                                                    B- your reel wont put out that much drag?
                                                                                    C- your knots will fail?

The weak point will likely be the terminal connection or connection to leader, both of which you would hope can cope with higher drag setting of............


 Jerry Brown hollow 60 breaks typically at around 89-101 lbs, some JB 40 breaks at around 70lb neither of which I suspect would cause you to loose fish, both of which aren't sold as 80lb line.......

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Breaking strain on 50lb is a bit more than 50lb if im right. How much drag does your reel put out, now try and lift that with your leader and PR knot bro, itll be sweet as. But yeah 80 would give you more piece of mind i guess
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^^ beat me to it lol
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Cool got ya guys. Really just a piece of mind thing. 10kg max drag on my reel. But obviously you get a bit more pressure on the line with big head shakes. Ill stick with 50 I think. Always have a pretty heaftly PR knot so don't think it will break there. What knot does everyone use to tie leader to solid ring?
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Hey Alex I run 80lb for the reasons you have already stated but to be honest I think next time I spool up I will drop down to 50 or 60lb. Any opportunity to run lighter & still have the gear to deal to that big model that comes round occasionally is my future plan. EG I noticed recently that instead of using a 350Gr jig (which my blanks are rated at) I went to a 300Gr model & noticed immediately how much easier it was. So IMO stay as light as you practically can.
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Alex, Ag chain with a rizzuto for leader to solid.
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Originally posted by AlexFyssher AlexFyssher wrote:

Cool got ya guys. Really just a piece of mind thing. 10kg max drag on my reel. But obviously you get a bit more pressure on the line with big head shakes. Ill stick with 50 I think. Always have a pretty heaftly PR knot so don't think it will break there. What knot does everyone use to tie leader to solid ring?


AG chain knot if using fluorocarbon or simple 3-4 turn uni if using mono
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I was using YGK PE4 Jigman which is about 50lb test at the Ranfurly recently. The rod was a Ninja L prototype acid rod. Rod would be about a 200g. That didn't stop me, Werner and Nick from dealing to several 30kg, 32, 34, 36 & 38kg Kingies on that outfit. In good hands, this light tackle can and will deal to monster fish but you need a bit of skill and luck going your way. With the light rod, you just can't gimbal the rod soon after the take. Keep the load off the rod by pointing it at the water, let the reel drag slow the fish down. When the fight settles and you have control, then gimbal the rod and fight as normal but be prepared to underarm the rod if the fish starts to overload the rod.

50lb braid is light for the Ranfurly or 3 Kings and I would usually recommend 80lb or more. Just do as I say not what
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Are you using ring and gromet Alex or straight to the solid ring on factory assists?
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IMO you have no need ever for 80lb braid. Most gear and most people cant handle sustained 20-30kg of drag. I beat most fish with about 6-10kg no problems from marloon to 30Plus kg kings. also !! has anyone got there jig bait livie or big fish stuck on the bottom - snagged with 80lb braid.. MY GOSH IT SUCKS SO BAD! you have to tie off your braid to a cleat and drive the boat away. 50lb is HEAPS!
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Perhaps you are correct Jakepitsville when fishing with just two anglers from a private boat but believe me when I say if you fish in charter boats the odd tangle is the norm for a days fishing and the 80lb braid survives that much better


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I am using 80lb for marlin, dropping to 50 this season, on my jigging gear is 80, again dropping to 50, 80 is great and gives you alot of room for a mistake I can certainly crank up horendous drag if I want but hell have I been dragged around the pit and I am 120k.
As mentioned 50 breaks alot higher.
 
If anyone knows where I can get at least 2000m of 50 or there abouts lets us know
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Originally posted by Gowest Gowest wrote:


Are you using ring and gromet Alex or straight to the solid ring on factory assists?


Ring and gromet
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I used 50lb braid casting for GTs at Cook Islands. When I hooked a biggie, it broke. I never got a second chance. I regretted using 50lb. Ok, I believe it broke at the weakest point, the knot from braid to leader. So, I think the strength is determined by, both line strength and knot(s) strength.
The knot was a Spider Hitch, which I subsequently learned was relatively weak. Later I changed to a Bimini Twist, which I understand is much stronger. And now I have changed again, to a Yucatan, even stronger I believe.
To me, I like to think I will be able to land a big fish, if it ever eventuates - so I will be sticking with 80lb braid, or stronger.
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Originally posted by letsgetem letsgetem wrote:

I used 50lb braid casting for GTs at Cook Islands. When I hooked a biggie, it broke. I never got a second chance. I regretted using 50lb. Ok, I believe it broke at the weakest point, the knot from braid to leader. So, I think the strength is determined by, both line strength and knot(s) strength.
The knot was a Spider Hitch, which I subsequently learned was relatively weak. Later I changed to a Bimini Twist, which I understand is much stronger. And now I have changed again, to a Yucatan, even stronger I believe.
To me, I like to think I will be able to land a big fish, if it ever eventuates - so I will be sticking with 80lb braid, or stronger.


I had the same thing in Tonga. Snapped my 50lb on a GT. and again snapped my 50lb when hooked on the bottom and didn't feel like I put a huge amount of pressure on it.

Also snapped the 50lb on our electric reel on a puka/bass(a very good one) the other day.

However I think ill see how I go and when I loose that big one I might change then lol
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