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Hi all,

I'm finally in the market for a topwater set and am predominantly landbased, so am looking for a rod & reel that can handle the environment and will be useable for both stickbaits & poppers (I have more stickbaits than I do poppers...).

The rod would ideally be 2pce for ease of transportation and about 8' for lbg I guess.

I have a budget of ~$700 for rod, reel, braid & leader.

Any advice you guys can give me is muchly appreciated.

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Bro, I got a lighter Offshore Illusion PSS 8' w a Sustain 8000 2 spools loaded w JB hollow 60lb; 90lb ABS. Ideal for swimming stickbait. Welcome to use it any time and spend a bit of time fishing with it down here, see if you like it. Been thinking about letting that set up go as just sits here looking pretty. Be well suited to your needs and wouldn't break the bank. Welcome to all my gear to have a tutu.
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Cheers for the offer fish i, where abouts are you based? Maybe flick me a PM eh?

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i did a lot of landbased stickbaiting with a stradic 8000 and was loosing the bigger kings and expensive stickbaits try get a stella mate you wont be disapointed
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Originally posted by segador segador wrote:

i did a lot of landbased stickbaiting with a stradic 8000 and was loosing the bigger kings and expensive stickbaits try get a stella mate you wont be disapointed
 
Good advice there - you are a LBG man, Brenton - do it once and do it right. Maybe look at a second hand Stella FA, they come up on Trademe from time to time.
 
Stickbaiting can be deadly, more so than live baits from the rocks at times.
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Originally posted by segador segador wrote:

i did a lot of landbased stickbaiting with a stradic 8000 and was loosing the bigger kings and expensive stickbaits


HOws that?
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So off the bricks I'm guessing drag is more important than retrieve rate?
Also what rods are you lbg guys using?
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Hey Brenton, 

I know its not as flash as a lot of things people suggest, But I got a Fin Nor Troppo 8ft, Good for throwing poppers/stickbaits. I use it landbased in tga harbour (and off the boat) and it works really well. Not blingy apart from being candy red. I have an okuma salina II on mine. For under $200 they are really good buying. Will leave a bit more money in the back burner for that 2nd hand stella/saltiga/Okuma Wink
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Originally posted by EditB EditB wrote:

So off the bricks I'm guessing drag is more important than retrieve rate?
Also what rods are you lbg guys using?


Retrieve rate is very important, you'll want a decent amount to work your lures effectively. Thinking about drag however, you want to think how much drag can you practically fish from the rocks effectively. I think landing kings from the rocks, especially with braid, playing the fish and knowing the terrain is a large factor. I reckon a lot of people lose decent fish off the rocks believing their gear wasn't up to it rather than their playing tactics. A 15kg kingfish can pull 15kg of drag for a time so brute force is not going to win out for you all the time. Ultimately when you spend the time hooking kingies from the rocks you will get owned sometimes, it's part of the territory.

Remember this vid? The stella did not come up trumps here with this freight train.  Could have slammed the brakes on harder earlier but I reckon he would of lost the fish a lot earlier and had less of chance of bringing it in. It's not like your fishing in 100m of water. I think he played his cards right really. Possibly could have even backed right off when it went on that big run as they'll often come right when not feeling as much pressure. Who knows?

Length - 8ft is pretty sweet. You would not want to go much longer as finding the right place to perform sweeps can be difficult at times. Throwing skip baits you'd be all good thou. That's a Carnax kaibutsu PI 8'4" in that vid.
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Have you considered the Daiwa Saltist reels?

 
Pretty reasonable price and fast retrieve, think it's something like 140cm on the 6500h. The 4500h would be nice and light, but might be slightly lacking in drag at 10kg max, although there might be upgrades available?
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You also need to bear in mind what you can hang onto. I have a now obsolete Penn 760 slammer and it has over 18kg drag off the reel with a full spool. Its rated more like 20lb. I have approx 270m of 80lb braid on it. If i drop it in the sea or fall and it breaks or worse gets stolen they are $90 AU to replace. The new Spinfisher V series looks like it will be great performer and I cant wait to get one in my collection (drag also way under rated). 

Yes a stella is lighter, prettier, higher quality, longer lasting, nicer to use etc etc 
BUT once it gets stolen you cant use it any more so the penn or Finnor or Okuma etc that cost way less could be replaced and therefore is nicer to use than nothing at all.

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You will land kings under the 4o pound mark with 8000range reels but much bigger and you will struggle
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So I had a weak moment at GoFish yesterday & walked out with  Demonblood 802xh, & a PennSSV6500 spooled with 50lb Sufix 832 & some YGK 100lb leader. 


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Those Demon Bloods are awesum rods mate. I am using the 762XH and have caught GT'S up to 33 KG with it. Very light but ulta strong.Wink
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Sweet Im keen to hear how it goes thats the reel I'm buying next. Should do well with that.
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Took the setup for a flick yesterday off whangaparoa and while I didn't catch anything, was very happy with the combo. feels nicely balanced and was casting like a dream
Will be hitting East Cape/Lottin after Easter so fingers crossed for a decent test of it then
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I was using a finnor 5500 did the job real well and on the 1st fish I smashed my Opus Bull yip 1st cast 1st fish and snap stoked I was,
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Originally posted by EditB EditB wrote:

So I had a weak moment at GoFish yesterday & walked out with  Demonblood 802xh, & a PennSSV6500 spooled with 50lb Sufix 832 & some YGK 100lb leader. 




Isn't that a PE8 300g popper rod?


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Originally posted by fish i fish i wrote:

Originally posted by EditB EditB wrote:

So off the bricks I'm guessing drag is more important than retrieve rate?
Also what rods are you lbg guys using?


Retrieve rate is very important, you'll want a decent amount to work your lures effectively. Thinking about drag however, you want to think how much drag can you practically fish from the rocks effectively. I think landing kings from the rocks, especially with braid, playing the fish and knowing the terrain is a large factor. I reckon a lot of people lose decent fish off the rocks believing their gear wasn't up to it rather than their playing tactics. A 15kg kingfish can pull 15kg of drag for a time so brute force is not going to win out for you all the time. Ultimately when you spend the time hooking kingies from the rocks you will get owned sometimes, it's part of the territory.

Remember this vid? The stella did not come up trumps here with this freight train.  Could have slammed the brakes on harder earlier but I reckon he would of lost the fish a lot earlier and had less of chance of bringing it in. It's not like your fishing in 100m of water. I think he played his cards right really. Possibly could have even backed right off when it went on that big run as they'll often come right when not feeling as much pressure. Who knows?

Length - 8ft is pretty sweet. You would not want to go much longer as finding the right place to perform sweeps can be difficult at times. Throwing skip baits you'd be all good thou. That's a Carnax kaibutsu PI 8'4" in that vid.
Fluffing around with the drag too much.Not a good idea imho.Ouch..........i caught a 22,5 on mono with a 6500 only 2 thirds of a spool......That guy pissed the fish off.
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