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I've been asked to design a series of rods suited to Slow Pitch jigging by one of our Asian agents... this method like so many was devised in Japan and I was told to watch a few You Tube videos before committing to the project...

The whole method is extremely different from Mechanical jigging and the You Tube clip on this page explains much of this http://www.anglers-secrets.com/fish-fight-part-1-dont-pump-your-rod/ 
For starters the rod basically performs one function which is to work the jig and is not used to any great degree in fighting the fish other than setting the hook...
The rods themselves are 6'3" to 7ft... thin, light, elastic in nature and very parabolic. Jigs up to 300grams are being used on what is essentially a rod similar to some softbait rods and taking on fish up to 35kg... the reels used in Japan are overhead like the Shimano OJ2000NR and some pimped out baitcasters... Line is from PE0.8 to PE3, Drags up to 6kg are used but from what I've seen and been asked to design the drag can be set a little heavier...
 
The rod is pointed towards the fish with the tip under the water when hooked up and then its a matter of pulling the butt section back under the arm and winding in as the next stroke it made... whatever the rod design Titanium frame guides are a must to help with corrosion if the rod is spending so much time under water...
A lot of this defies the principal of rod design (work the jig, hook the fish, pump and fight the fish with the action if the rod)..... but the jigs being used especially the Deepliner range work like you wouldn't believe with outstanding flutter action on the slow pitch fall...
 
It's not really similar to Inchiku and Madais Slow jig fishing as the rod is used to land the fish in these methods... so I'm not sure if there is interest here in NZ ... I know I will be giving it a go on Snapper and Kingfish... but I do recommend you watch the video's on this as it's jigging but not as we know it...
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Hmmm Different.. Idea is to just drop rod pull in & wind, let the drags do the killing...
Looks tiring, mind you so is jigging. Interesting technique....
But didn't see how he jigged...
 
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Originally posted by John_Ra John_Ra wrote:

Hmmm Different.. Idea is to just drop rod pull in & wind, let the drags do the killing...
Looks tiring, mind you so is jigging. Interesting technique....
But didn't see how he jigged...
 
Nano build jig rod, just longer?
There are a couple of other vidz on that website that show the Techniques
 
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Slow pitch jerk and long fall jerk are just methods of jigging. The reason for fighting the fish with no rod angle is do to with the light style of the rod, you can put a bend in the rod if you want, just keep the angle low.. To me that vertical method of landing the fish looks like more effort than its worth. Thats my take on it anyways

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Originally posted by Starnsy Starnsy wrote:

Slow pitch jerk and long fall jerk are just methods of jigging. The reason for fighting the fish with no rod angle is do to with the light style of the rod, you can put a bend in the rod if you want, just keep the angle low.. To me that vertical method of landing the fish looks like more effort than its worth. Thats my take on it anyways

Was my take on it at first as well...
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rods look like they would take a pounding on side of boat!
 
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Funny, I have used that style when a 100kilo+ queensland grouper inhaled a queenfish at my feet, the saltiga 4500 was screaching as I screwed the drag down, to the point I was sure the little 12-20lb wilson LCS rod was gonna snap. I never realised how fast a grouper can move, and had the rod pointed at the fish, unable to wind cause of the amount of drag I walked backwards , then ran forward winding for about 5 minutes with a couple of local kids laughing at me, untill they saw the grouper :) which swam away happy.

Its hard work and I prefer to use the rod to soak up the head shakes and tail beating....
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Originally posted by Titahi Titahi wrote:

Funny, I have used that style when a 100kilo+ queensland grouper inhaled a queenfish at my feet, the saltiga 4500 was screaching as I screwed the drag down, to the point I was sure the little 12-20lb wilson LCS rod was gonna snap. I never realised how fast a grouper can move, and had the rod pointed at the fish, unable to wind cause of the amount of drag I walked backwards , then ran forward winding for about 5 minutes with a couple of local kids laughing at me, untill they saw the grouper :) which swam away happy.

Its hard work and I prefer to use the rod to soak up the head shakes and tail beating....
the reason why I posed the question about interest was to gauge whether or not we released the rod here as well..... As with many of the project rods we design for markets overseas most will never see the light of day here in NZ...can't see us selling too many Black Bass or Snakehead rod here but we can't keep up with orders for them overseas...
as with the Slow Pitch style of rod...it will go well in Asia but hard to see it taking off here in the current design format... I do see a version of this form of slow pitch jigging based on a different blank being better suited to us down under jig fishermen where the rod tip has the correct action but the mid and butt can be used to fight the fish...
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Great to see a reputable rod builder in NZ looking at this. I was so tempted to buy a Major Craft Giant Killing from Plat for this type of fishing. Same goes with G Loomis as I like their IMX and GLX spin and baitcast 6ft versions. You say you made snakehead rods too?
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Yep, was pretty interested in an Evergreen Poseidon Slow Jerker myself.....
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Wow its great that a kiwi rod builder is pushing the envelope. believe wee tin has been using slow pitch jigging on snapper to great effect in the gulf for sometime.
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Ive been using these type of lures for quite awhile now and they work an absolute treat on our snapper, kawhai and especially kingfish!! The only problem is the cost involved in bringing them all in from Japan the shipping is an absolute killer. Ive been using a daiwa saltist bayrubber i cant remember the exact model off the top of my head but it imparts quite a nice action into the lure its especially effective from 80-120g but looses grunt on anything much bigger. I have heard whispers these maybe making there way into new zealand retailers sometime soon which would be awesome for spring fishing!!!
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Not sure about the way they play the fish must surely be hard on the drag etc. But hell I want one of them Big Ar  sssss nets anyone have them ?
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Haha I noticed the nets as well mate! Friggin awesome eh no idea where to get em tho
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Ive just imported a few jigs from overseas to try on a new prototype synit spin graeme kindly droped off to me.
Blue blue sea ride. In 30 - 60gm. Check them out on youtube...Im excited as there are many types of fishing we havent tried here in nz. I think kingis and big trevs will go nuts for these. Ive ordered some 120 and 180gm for the three kings... Ulra light fun!!..
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Originally posted by Mr Plastic Mr Plastic wrote:

Ive just imported a few jigs from overseas to try on a new prototype synit spin graeme kindly droped off to me.
Blue blue sea ride. In 30 - 60gm. Check them out on youtube...Im excited as there are many types of fishing we havent tried here in nz. I think kingis and big trevs will go nuts for these. Ive ordered some 120 and 180gm for the three kings... Ulra light fun!!..
Get some practice in cos I will have prototype X-Jig Slow Pitch rods for you to take to the 3Kings... Should even be so kind as to let you use a specialist reel I have coming...
 
 
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Originally posted by Mr Plastic Mr Plastic wrote:

Ive just imported a few jigs from overseas to try on a new prototype synit spin graeme kindly droped off to me.
Blue blue sea ride. In 30 - 60gm. Check them out on youtube...Im excited as there are many types of fishing we havent tried here in nz. I think kingis and big trevs will go nuts for these. Ive ordered some 120 and 180gm for the three kings... Ulra light fun!!..



I have been using the blue sea ride 30 gramm lures for about 3 months, they are primarily marketed as "shore casting game" lure. they have a fantastic action, that queenfich and trevelly find irrestible. The hooks are IMO a little on the light side, and I have taken to replacing them with some small Sj41's. The action can be changed by swapping the tow point and hooks. I have also used them jigging on lite gear and again they are very effective.


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Originally posted by loodafish loodafish wrote:

Haha I noticed the nets as well mate! Friggin awesome eh no idea where to get em tho

sorry this isnt to do with the jigging rods, but if you want one of those nets, go buy a whitebait net and just replace the thin mesh with heavy duty stuff, like 2mm cord or even trawler netting??
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Looks like a raid on the local tennis court comin upLOL. Small W/B net frame mite be just the ticket.
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I've been using the Blu Blu searide jigs for about 12 months now. Have found that as they are a shore jigging lure they impart a LOT of action. When using them in the boat we've found it is best to slow down your lift and let the action impart on the drop. The reason for this is when we initially got them we found if we used a fast lift we were getting lots of hits but limited hook up's. Once we slowed it down the hook up rate increased dramatically. I put it down to the jig being so erratic that the fish were actually struggling to catch up with it. There are others such as Sea Falcon, Beat and Seafloor Control that have fantastic actions and some great contrast paint jobs which definitely play a role in their effectiveness. Once you get the hang of fishing this style, the lures are VERY effective!
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