Painting over gelcoat

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I have an old Haines that I'm thinking about tidying up, although I don't want to spend the earth on her - is there a proven product out there that I can use to simply paint over the gelcoat? Hull is all good, just the top needs work.
 
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how bad is the gelcoat? can you not refinish it?
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Hi John, it's not BAD bad, but very dull and oxidised. I've tried a few products on it including the GRUNT product (cutting compound), and re waxing, but it doesn't bring it back, and returns to dull very quickly. The best I've had it looking is with spray on silicone rubbed in, but again it doesn't last more than a week. She's just an old runabout but I'm looking at re doing the windows as well, so with a paint she might actually look quite smart.
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am looking at the same thing, will pm you what i've learned so far.
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We repainted (over gelcoat) a 36ft launch with Perfection 'self levelling' paint. Used a roller and brush. Once you get the technique right it is quick and easy to apply, and you could probably do your hull for ~ $400 worth of paint (less than $1k for the 36fter). 
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There is a product called Alu-brite available from www.envirochem.co.nz that I used a year ago when my boat needed to be smartened up.  It took all of the old oxidisation off my gelcoat and left a sparkling finish almost as good as new.  I haven't got a before picture that shows how it used to look but here's one after I finished:


I had previously tried the Grunt products but didn't have much success shifting the oxidation.  The Alu-Brite I used this time did not require the use of a polish over the top and the gelcoat has stayed shiny since.
The other thing you could try (and possibly a lot cheaper) would be the "Revive-it" product that Damo is an agent for....
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Originally posted by Heathrow Heathrow wrote:

Hi John, it's not BAD bad, but very dull and oxidised. I've tried a few products on it including the GRUNT product (cutting compound), and re waxing, but it doesn't bring it back, and returns to dull very quickly. The best I've had it looking is with spray on silicone rubbed in, but again it doesn't last more than a week. She's just an old runabout but I'm looking at re doing the windows as well, so with a paint she might actually look quite smart.


hey mate, i agree with tagit, if none of the cutting is working you could go for a quick repaint.

we did a small boat that i posted about here: http://www.fishing.net.nz/asp_forums/winter-project-prep-up-the-boat-pics_topic84131.html

took us much longer as we did a full sand down and actual physical modification but as tagit said painting over the gelcoat (assuming after some sort of fine sanding) you could do the whole boat at a pretty reasonable price and fairly quickly. we used toplac which is a one pack but the perfection 2 coat is really nice and pretty solid - have used it elsewhere

careful though, you might go crazy... us half way through the project, had just masked and started with first topcoat LOL:






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I note you say you have rubbed spray on silicon in...

If going to paint you need to make sure all traces are removed as it will react (in a very bad way). Painters just hate silicon!
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Originally posted by Silent Assassin Silent Assassin wrote:

I note you say you have rubbed spray on silicon in...

If going to paint you need to make sure all traces are removed as it will react (in a very bad way). Painters just hate silicon!


true that. you can do a good wipe down with the proper solvents prior to get all the crap off
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you could  use my  formula on this site , you may have to register to see the photos , its a wonderfull finish gloss as
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depending how bad the gel coat is u can wet sand with 1500 then a good cut and polish all the boats we have done this too has brought them up real good 
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Guys thanks for the input, I'm going to try a few things and will let you know how I got on.
 
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Piece of cake to do this wet n dry 2000 grit then buff with a proper buffer using 1st a smooth cutter and then go over top with a polish job done ,email the boys at Mr Boats Christchurch ask them to package you up the product they use on their fi-glass boats.I have got the product off them before in which i gave away to another forum member here as he was doing the same thing and his came up like new.
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Originally posted by blackboat blackboat wrote:

Piece of cake to do this wet n dry 2000 grit then buff with a proper buffer using 1st a smooth cutter and then go over top with a polish job done ,email the boys at Mr Boats Christchurch ask them to package you up the product they use on their fi-glass boats.I have got the product off them before in which i gave away to another forum member here as he was doing the same thing and his came up like new.
An excellant answer. When gelcoat is applied correctly a film should be aprox 20thou thick with a wet ml. gauge by the manufacturer. This will provide enough build to cut and buff as described. However getcoat requires waxing and polishing regulary to retain its looks. It's not a no maintenance product at all............cheersThumbs Up
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If you do sand it etc, go very easy on all the edges of curves etc. The gelcoat is easy to cut right through with too much sanding on these 'high points' if you are not careful.
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Hay Heathorw some good info on here but your best bet is to get a painter to have a look.
You are more than welcome to bring the boat down to my workshop in solfer-point and then we can put you in the right direction.?
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Just an update - I used a wet and dry 1200 grit to sand most areas on the top half of the boat, then used Grunt cutting compound and followed with turtle wax, with pretty good results. I'm a lot happier with the finish and the difference is massive, although some areas are still a bit touch and go. Canadian John has a good article which would be really helpful to anyone else touching up the gelcoat, hopefully he'll have time to post it.
 
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