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    Posted: 17 Jun 2011 at 8:47pm
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Hey, on my last trip out I was using my own custom made assist rigs.
 
Owner # 9 solid rings
Sufix 280lb kevlar
Owner SJ41 hooks
Heatshrink (stiffness)
 
I was not happy with the amount of kingfish that hit but did not stick.
 
Just wondering anyones ideas on assist rig length, not taking IGFA rules into it.
 
I have been told first 1/3 of the jig being the kings will hit the head area first. also been told by the marks left from kings hitting jigs  1/2 way down the jig is the ideal length.
 
I was using large 300 - 400gm jigs so were resonable size
 
 
Everyones got an opinion so come on lets hear it.
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Take a piece of cord and make it the length of the jig...cut and when folded and knoted it will be the right length for the jig...(personally,I make it just a bit shorter than the jig.maybe 1 inch for the longer ones 300.400,420,500)....If the cord is too long,you stand more chance of hook ups that dont stick(face hook) but you can always drop a fish even when the cord is right....putting a squirt on hook  helps as the fish can suck it in but then some dont like to use them at all as it spoils the action of the lure.I dont think you are doing anything wrong.You can also get fish not sticking=RATS
p.s the marks on the jig could also  be couda too.
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Originally posted by iceman666 iceman666 wrote:

Hey, on my last trip out I was using my own custom made assist rigs.
 
Owner # 9 solid rings
Sufix 280lb kevlar
Owner SJ41 hooks
Heatshrink (stiffness)
 
I was not happy with the amount of kingfish that hit but did not stick.
 
Just wondering anyones ideas on assist rig length, not taking IGFA rules into it.
 
I have been told first 1/3 of the jig being the kings will hit the head area first. also been told by the marks left from kings hitting jigs  1/2 way down the jig is the ideal length.
 
I was using large 300 - 400gm jigs so were resonable size
 
 
Everyones got an opinion so come on lets hear it.
You have made good observations Iceman... Your choice is personal preference.
 
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From the fish in the target area they wernt rats........ and the one that OWNED me on a OCEA jigger with the drag done up as much as i could handle without being pulled into the tide the  Blue Rose 420gm rod  bent in half with tip under the water at times........
 
Yea easy to tell diffrent marks from kingy "SCUFF"  marks as apposed to sharp dents into the jig left by the F@%KING razor gang.!
 
Yea was extremly frustratng and as i know some days they just dont stick aswell as others.
 
So frustrating i just wanted to hear everyones opinion so i can put it all in the mixer and see if i missed anythung.
 
 
 
 
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Short as I can go to still get hook through loop. Kings generally get ahead and hit bait head on. I don't really worry about missed hits etc. if they are big enough and keen enough they'll eat it.

Anyone using that varivas assist cord, is it stiffer than used zylon?
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I keep my cord length to around 75mm for all the long jiggs, seems ok. 
I am starting to use the shorter zest flutter jig more and more and wonder if the assist should be shorter for them?
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Look at your jig and picture it as a bait fish. Put the hook where the gut of the bait would be. That is about one third or less of the way down from the top. That is the most vulnerable part of a fish and where predators are most likely to target when attacking. Also, check that  the hook isn't able to fall over the jig ang get caught up. Don't be scared to use bigger hooks. 
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big hooks ,nylon/braid tuna assist cord halfway down jig and the skirt as well helps ,,had couta cut clean off the kevlar but they cant or as yet cut through this tuna cord
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I have more "missed" hookups using long rigs. better hookups using shortish ones.ie less than one third of jig length
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Make sure you are using a hook wider than the jig where it hangs.  Also keep assist cord short - 1/4 to 1/3 is about right.  Also make sure you strike on every take.  I strike up to 3 times.
If I don't set the hook, I am never confident that it is a firm hookset.
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Originally posted by blackboat blackboat wrote:

big hooks ,nylon/braid tuna assist cord halfway down jig and the skirt as well helps ,,had couta cut clean off the kevlar but they cant or as yet cut through this tuna cord

Where do you get your tuna cord from?
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this is what i use in tuna cord in blue very strong stuff bit tight with knot but all good


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Where do you get this cord from?
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This may cause some problems and I don't have a current picture as I'm overseas, but last Novemeber I made a couple of assist rigs with two hooks (one at about 1/3 and one just past 1/2 way), I can tell you my hook up rate was 2 - 1 compared to others on the boat ...till they snagged on the bottom Unhappy. The other issue was sometimes it was difficult to get the second hook out for a clean release. Haven't stuck with it but it was worth a crack.
Any one else given this a go????
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Two hooks on the same cord or seperate?
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Originally posted by worksux worksux wrote:

I keep my cord length to around 75mm for all the long jiggs, seems ok. 
I am starting to use the shorter zest flutter jig more and more and wonder if the assist should be shorter for them?
I shortened mine, looked wrong when changing from a 300gr jig.
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Anyone using that varivas assist cord, is it stiffer than used zylon?
I've used the varivas cord. I thought it was too soft and it frayed really easily. I wont be buying it again Confused
 
 
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Two hooks on the same cord mate, Only did this on 400gm + Jigs (would affect the smaller jigs, i would think), it certainly did the trick for the couple of days that I used it.Smile
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you wanted one, mate!
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Yeah and all your jigs they were attached to, and your custom rods, and your bling reels etc
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