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    Posted: 18 Mar 2011 at 4:39pm
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G'day Guys....Smile

I am  new to ski, I am just wondering  in average how many hours do you need to start thinking about rebuild the engine / jet  part for your jet ski( Yamaha fx 140 model) Confused ? some people said 1000+( with regular service) and some people said 200 hours with regular service Confused. Cause at the moment I am still thinking about the maintenance price between ski and boat and it is not cheap to rebuild the jet ski engineOuch.
One more thing where do you service your yamy ski in auckland  ?


Thanks a lot guys

Cheers


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 2011 at 5:05pm
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Yammie skis get serviced at Family Boats, I owned an FX HO 2006 that completed 250 hours hassle free and also heard they are good for 1000's of hours before a necessary rebuild...
If you are going down the track of buying a ski, make sure you talk to me before rushing in to anything.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 2011 at 5:36pm
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Good place to ask q's - some leading edge guys who know from experience 'round here no doubt. Isn't that engine virtually the same as an R1 (Road bike)? If so then it should be good for 1000's?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 2011 at 6:34pm
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Thanks for the reply  AndrewSmile and EspressoSmile.

I am still thinking between ski or 5 m boat.

Thanks Guys
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Mar 2011 at 9:55am
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Bono,
I owned a 5.2 meter boat.  I now own a Yamaha FXHO jetski.  I would never look back and cant say enough about the jetski fishing.  It ticks all the boxes.  Talk to Andrew at Jetskifishing.co.nz  he now has some really cool options for learning about jetski fishing so that might help you decide.
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I don't think you need to worry about engine rebuilds, unless you are buying an ex-rental ski. My understanding is the first things likely to need to be replaced are the impeller and the wear ring on the jet unit, which are not a major cost/job.
 
Definitely talk to Andrew. It would probably be worth asking a service agent about the cost of new impeller and wear ring so you have an idea what your first major expense is likely to be, and how many years they last.
 
Servicing on my FXHO is about $300 a time.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Mar 2011 at 7:35pm
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Bill75 and Cigar Thanks for the advice, 
how do you know that a jet ski ex rental? I got an offer for a jet ski fx140 yr 2004 and its done for 400 hours. can you consider that jet ski as ex rental?

Thanks Guy.... sorry for a lot of questions

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Mar 2011 at 7:52pm
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Again my advice would be to talk to Andrew. On his advise I brought mine (2006 Yamaha FXHO) for $13,500 with about 30 hours on it.  All decked out including installation of new Raymarine, gear, clothing and full Ultimate kit it owes me $17,000.  Which gave me change out of the $30,000 I had in a 5.2 meter boat.  I have fished early mornings.....after work.......and traveled and caught Kingfish at the Mokohenaus which is more than I ever would have done in my boat.

Im not sure of your situation but I have a young family who did not like the boat that much..........but they sure like the fish that I catch for them :-) 
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Originally posted by Bono Bono wrote:

G'day Guys....Smile

I am  new to ski, I am just wondering  in average how many hours do you need to start thinking about rebuild the engine / jet  part for your jet ski( Yamaha fx 140 model) Confused ? some people said 1000+( with regular service) and some people said 200 hours with regular service Confused. Cause at the moment I am still thinking about the maintenance price between ski and boat and it is not cheap to rebuild the jet ski engineOuch.
One more thing where do you service your yamy ski in auckland  ?


Thanks a lot guys

Cheers


 Bono
 
IMO you should contact the guys at SKIMD in Auckland for an unbiased and professional opinion .
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Mar 2011 at 8:22pm
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Originally posted by HOTBODZ HOTBODZ wrote:

[QUOTE=Bono]G'day Guys....Smile
IMO you should contact the guys at SKIMD in Auckland for an unbiased and professional opinion .
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Yes SKI MD maybe unbiased not being a dealer... but for the record SKI MD is not an authorised Yamaha or Sea-Doo dealer or repairer.
In past experiences, best recommended to go with authorised dealer support where available. Check on the Yamaha NZ website if you are still after one of the three  Yamaha Dealers in Auckland, closer to the ski you are looking at buying.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Mar 2011 at 8:06am
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Golly Andrew now I have been alerted by one of your ex jetski fishing members that you are swinging your years of experience round on this forum, I feel I have to clarify what Ski M.D is about.
Ski M.D. is Kevin Geard and Cathie Geard and we operate our Jetski Service, Spares and accessories business from our dedicated water craft workshop in Papakura. We pride our selves in servicing all makes and models to the highest level and in-fact if forum members have had their ski serviced else where, I invite them to swing it by our workshop for a "NO charge" check over so I can point out the things that I have found in my 14 years of servicing watercraft that should have been done in order to make your craft go the distance.
Ski M.D. are authorized Kawasaki service agents. I have owned and operated a Sea Doo dealership for five years prior to opening Ski M.D. I have passed the BRP training program and I make it my business to be fully up to date on the latest technology and servicing requirements on Sea Doo, Yamaha and Kawasaki craft.
We, like yourself Andrew are not selling agents for any brand but "we" pride our selves in being able to honestly and in an experienced fashion, advise potential buyers of what are the best and worst models of any brand and we sold many new ski's of all brands last year through our brokering service which saved people money and got them out on the water on the best gear.
 
I will now watch this forum and I am happy to offer free technical advice to any of its members in the jetski fishing section if it is required as I used to do on yours before you chose to no longer let me offer that free service.
 
 
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Some interesting facts to take in to account when looking at the costs of running a PWC over time that may help in your decision.
The Yamaha craft you speak of is one of the most reliable engines in watercraft today and has only recently been superseded by the 1800 range of craft.
We see FX140 craft come in from the states with 600 hours on from rental situations and they still run fine as they are usually well serviced in these situations.
Did you know.......
For every engine hour on the water on a Yamaha craft you need to allow $9.00 for maintenance be it a normally aspirated craft or a supercharged model.
For every hour on the water on a supercharged Seadoo, you need to allow $19.00 as they have clutch kits which need to be changed every 100 hours in addition to the normal maintenance. The normally aspirated Seadoo craft of any year prior to 2010 are excellent and also run at around $9.00 per hour.
The above figures are "plus fuel" 
This in my opinion is a good reason to stick with the normally aspirated craft you are looking at as this does keep costs down.
Hope that helps.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Mar 2011 at 9:50am
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To clarify a few facts after a couple of people ruining a simple post, BONO asked where do you get a Yamaha serviced...
I suggested a Yamaha authorized dealer and clarified facts which are true!
As I would expect most owners of any quality product would ie. If you own a Yamaha outboard, the majority would prefer to get it serviced by the network who have the genuine back up support.
As for Kevin, yes he actively continued to increase a database and revenue on my own forum. Eventually diversifying to a conflict of interest and I offered he could have paid business space and refused, then continued to break forum protocolAngry, which I am sure he will do the same on here... now jumped on the Jetskifishing band wagon, yet doesn't even Jetskifish, got to love the experts!
For myself, I have contributed over 100 fishing reports on this forum since 2008 being my passion, so it is not something new for me being here...
I have introduced many people to this forum who have also now contribute and met some great members. Personally helping 100's of Jetskifisho's free of charge increasing the momentum on Jetskifishing including HOTBODZ! Some people have a short memory and instead of being negative about what I do, maybe someone else try doing do a better job that what I have.
First place is to start for the smart asses, contribute to the industry for free like I have with 1000's hours of advice and putting jet-skis to good use on the water with fishing... then try applying your passion to forming a business while being a father of 3!
There is only so much I can do for free and it seems that to many freeload on my work or expect to make dollars from my initiatives, got to love the kiwi way.Wink
A reminder, keep the BS off the forum and maybe a few more get out fishing and add a few more fishing reports and help out showing the world how fun the sport is!
Love the forums, but some people need a life... Hope the point gets across, I think I've vented enough and I'm going fishing!Smile
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Is it just me or does the Jetski industry seem unusually *****y? I think the service manager of a Holden dealership would still have a pleasant beer with his counterpart at a Ford yard.
Don't get me wrong Andrew - I enjoy your reports and appreciate the energy and focus you're putting into getting ski's beyond the obnoxious "look at my big willy" stigma they've been tagged with.
It just seems odd that these squabbles seem to come up on here all the time whereas the outboard mechanics seem to get on fine...
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Small industry mate!LOL  A few have to learn about ethical business and friends, it doesn't help that some have X's as oppositions...Wink
This recent squabble isn't helped when one of the posters goes stirrs to Kevin, which I thought most grew out of after leaving school.
I think BONO's questions have been answered so maybe lock the post.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Mar 2011 at 1:25pm
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Originally posted by Dagwood Dagwood wrote:

Is it just me or does the Jetski industry seem unusually *****y? I think the service manager of a Holden dealership would still have a pleasant beer with his counterpart at a Ford yard.
Don't get me wrong Andrew - I enjoy your reports and appreciate the energy and focus you're putting into getting ski's beyond the obnoxious "look at my big willy" stigma they've been tagged with.
It just seems odd that these squabbles seem to come up on here all the time whereas the outboard mechanics seem to get on fine...
I personally like the BEER thingSmile
Let,s face it ,live is to short and with so many tragedies happening around the wordCry we should try to make friends not enemiesWink I like to call Andrew a friend and in my opinion Kevin is a great mechanic who told me a lot about maintaining my ski.So if there is a slight chance to bury the hatchet over few beers I AM BUYING Big smileBig smileBig smile   Cheers
 
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Originally posted by Smoker Smoker wrote:

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Originally posted by Dagwood Dagwood wrote:

Is it just me or does the Jetski industry seem unusually *****y? I think the service manager of a Holden dealership would still have a pleasant beer with his counterpart at a Ford yard.
Don't get me wrong Andrew - I enjoy your reports and appreciate the energy and focus you're putting into getting ski's beyond the obnoxious "look at my big willy" stigma they've been tagged with.
It just seems odd that these squabbles seem to come up on here all the time whereas the outboard mechanics seem to get on fine...
I personally like the BEER thingSmile
Let,s face it ,live is to short and with so many tragedies happening around the wordCry we should try to make friends not enemiesWink I like to call Andrew a friend and in my opinion Kevin is a great mechanic who told me a lot about maintaining my ski.So if there is a slight chance to bury the hatchet over few beers I AM BUYING Big smileBig smileBig smile   Cheers
 
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Clap and Yes beers like we had last week for the Jetskifishos will be on again.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Mar 2011 at 8:23pm
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Originally posted by Ski M.D. Ski M.D. wrote:

Golly Andrew now I have been alerted by one of your ex jetski fishing members that you are swinging your years of experience round on this forum, I feel I have to clarify what Ski M.D is about.
Ski M.D. is Kevin Geard and Cathie Geard and we operate our Jetski Service, Spares and accessories business from our dedicated water craft workshop in Papakura. We pride our selves in servicing all makes and models to the highest level and in-fact if forum members have had their ski serviced else where, I invite them to swing it by our workshop for a "NO charge" check over so I can point out the things that I have found in my 14 years of servicing watercraft that should have been done in order to make your craft go the distance.
Ski M.D. are authorized Kawasaki service agents. I have owned and operated a Sea Doo dealership for five years prior to opening Ski M.D. I have passed the BRP training program and I make it my business to be fully up to date on the latest technology and servicing requirements on Sea Doo, Yamaha and Kawasaki craft.
We, like yourself Andrew are not selling agents for any brand but "we" pride our selves in being able to honestly and in an experienced fashion, advise potential buyers of what are the best and worst models of any brand and we sold many new ski's of all brands last year through our brokering service which saved people money and got them out on the water on the best gear.
 
I will now watch this forum and I am happy to offer free technical advice to any of its members in the jetski fishing section if it is required as I used to do on yours before you chose to no longer let me offer that free service.
 
 
yeah i took your 14 years of advice to silicon up my inside seat holes on my 2010 seadoo to keep the water from gettin on the engine sounded good till the fn seat ripped as no air could get out when i landed back on it Clap seadoo laughed when they saw it an said who told you to do such a idiot thing the holes are there for a reason,  yeah no more advice from people who don't know what there talking about you cost me lot of money buddy Angry
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Mar 2011 at 9:49pm
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HI All...Smile

Thanks for all the advice and I am really sorry I didn't mean to cause any argument between members.

Thanks again GuysSmile.

Cheers

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Having promised myself to stay out of the in-fighting, here I go sticking my nose in again...
 
If you're looking at a 4 stroke jetski, IMO you can't go past a Yammie, or a few models of Seadoo are ok too. I'd stay away from supercharged just purely on running costs.
 
If you are buying new, I understand both Andrew from Jetskifishing.co and Kevin from Ski MD have access to sell you one via an arrangement with a licensed Yamaha agency.
 
Having worked as an apprentice mechanic for a major ford franchise when I was young, I believe many if not most "franchise brands" over charge, take shortcuts, and often don't know as much as smaller "service specialists" who are passionate about what they do and are often performance freaks who spend every waking hour working on the machines. For that reason I personally would buy from a sub-agent who is going to personally do all the future servicing, NOT a franchise.
 
For kitting out your ski for fishing? You MUST buy your chillybin/rod holder from Andrew at jetskifishing.co.nz Look up his testimonials page and you'll see my personal experience from when I bought a competitors copy. Andrews kits are the result of making, then testing, then modifying, then testing. If you buy ANY other brand you run the risk of losing expensive gear, damaging your ski, or both. His are called Ultimate for a reason and are clearly identified with a square ID tag welded on.. beware of impersonations! Likewise, all his gadgets are amazing, and have come as a result of his hundreds of hours on the water in extreme conditions.. custom bungeys with stainless fittings, bait trays, reel covers.. get them all from Andrew.
 
Servicing, I know it's a pain in the arse to go to Papakura but I go to Kevin and Cathie Geard at SKI MD. You will have the most thorough service done there, and most importantly he does what he charges for, and doesn't take shortcuts.
 
Senator maybe your problem stems less from any advice you got from Kevin at Ski MD and more from the fact you bought a 2010 seadoo? I've heard nothing but bad stories about them and if Kevin made a mistake i'm sure he'd be first to apologise. Me, i've had nothing but great advice from him re my ski, and his servicing is second to none.
 
Now, the hairy one.. in-fighting. I realise every person in business has to make a living but the bad blood between Andrew and Kevin, and Andrew and Myron is really sad. Andrew and Kevin both have some valid gripes with each other, but equally each of you have done things to the other which are not right either. It is affecting the whole jetskifishing community and taking shots at each other on forums is ugly and just makes the whole community look foolish. Like the smoker, i'd be happy to buy the beers if we can get you all together and try to sort out the differences, maybe agree on some "rules of engagement" so you can all support each other in your specialty businesses rather than the current situation. Or better still, lets do dinner?
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