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I'm considering using an airbrush to paint my wooden lures and have no idea on the use of air brushes or paints.
 
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Can an ordinary compressor be used, if so do I need a conversion fitting?
If not, can you get compressed air in an aerosol can?
Are the cheaper syphon type airbrush ok to use? or do I need gravity fed
What paint do you use water based vs solvent type
Is there special airbrush paints that you need to use - if so where do you get them, cost?
What is the clean up procedure  
 
Any help given appreciated
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Originally posted by Joker Joker wrote:

I'm considering using an airbrush to paint my wooden lures and have no idea on the use of air brushes or paints.
 
Questions
Can an ordinary compressor be used, if so do I need a conversion fitting?  Yes
If not, can you get compressed air in an aerosol can? yes
Are the cheaper syphon type airbrush ok to use?  yes    or do I need gravity fed
What paint do you use water based vs solvent type Waterbased is fine
Is there special airbrush paints that you need to use - if so where do you get them, cost?
What is the clean up procedure  
 
Any help given appreciated


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If you don't have a compressor, you can get a fitting for a tyre valve that lets you run your airbrush from a car tyre. Those compressed air cans can get expensive after a while.

Waterbased paints are easy to use and clean up is easy. Dilute them with water, isopropyl alc, or window cleaner (the blue tint in the window cleaner evaporates and will not effect final colour).

Best to invest in a moisture trap too if you're going to be doing a lot of airbrushing.

I have both gravity and siphon feed airbrushes and both work fine.

My favourite is this set which was under $300 from memory.

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Finatic, where did get this set from?

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Ordered mine through Amazon.com a few years back. It's made by Aztek/Testors.

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Just remembered about the last time I went to buy some isopropyl alc from the local hardware shop (could buy 1L or 4L containers). They're not allowed to sell the stuff these days because it is used to manufacture P.Thumbs Down 

They pointed me towards the nearest chemist, but it is bloody expensive if you go down that route! They may also take down your details. So if you end up buying it frequently, expect a knock on your door.LOL

Your local hobby shop will have a supply of 'acrylic airbrush thinner'. The Tamiya branded stuff is good. They may also stock their own product.
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I bought this kit, works well

http://www.amazon.com/Paasche-Airbrush-Company-VL-Set/dp/B000BR2ST8/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1296172036&sr=8-4

Use Auto paint, 1 part tint and 2 part two-way thinner for airbrush consistency

Use thinner for clean up its cheap

Ordinary compressor is fine, bigger the better as it puts less strain on the compressor and also helps with moisture problems, I use a 3.5hp compressor but still use a moisture trap. You need a long hose for moisture traps to work, I think from memory at least 8m.
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Originally posted by marx marx wrote:

I bought this kit, works well

http://www.amazon.com/Paasche-Airbrush-Company-VL-Set/dp/B000BR2ST8/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1296172036&sr=8-4

Use Auto paint, 1 part tint and 2 part two-way thinner for airbrush consistency

Use thinner for clean up its cheap

Ordinary compressor is fine, bigger the better as it puts less strain on the compressor and also helps with moisture problems, I use a 3.5hp compressor but still use a moisture trap. You need a long hose for moisture traps to work, I think from memory at least 8m.
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Originally posted by Joker Joker wrote:

I'm considering using an airbrush to paint my wooden lures and have no idea on the use of air brushes or paints.
 
Questions
Can an ordinary compressor be used, if so do I need a conversion fitting?
If not, can you get compressed air in an aerosol can?
Are the cheaper syphon type airbrush ok to use? or do I need gravity fed
What paint do you use water based vs solvent type
Is there special airbrush paints that you need to use - if so where do you get them, cost?
What is the clean up procedure  
 
Any help given appreciated
 
Hey Joker,
 
  • First off you will need to check out the SCFM ( Standard Cubic Feet per Minute ) requirments of the setup you will use before choosing a compressor, If you already own a compressor and is of decent size you will be fine...Water traps!! I cannot express how important this part is...it will be the difference between success or failure.
  • Don't muck around with aerosol canned aired, alot of pro's use Co2 tanks but this is probably out of reach for most of us and not viable, if you don't already own a compressor you will find lots of uses for one anyway.
  • Either a syphon or gravity fed brush is good, you will also need to decide on a single or double action brush aswell.
  • To shoot waterbased you will need to increase the PSI to the brush and waterbased paint requires a huge amount of air flow to dry as there is no flashing off so a heatgun or hairdryer is helpful, auto paint will need to be thinned to the consistency of skim milk and you can shoot with much less PSI.
  • Plenty of special airbrush paints out there most are an adjusted volume i.e. 200ml not 1L, thinning and doing this consistently will really help with your finish.
  • Clean up usually consists of back washing the airbrush also done at colour changes. Use a cleaner i.e. acetone, thinners etc that is applicable to the paint you are using...avoid pulling your brush apart to much also save it for a rainy day...

Have a look around when buying a brush, think about how often you will actually use it...An Iwata sitting in a cupboard is of no use. Also consider what type of finish you require, as a $30 airbrush from SCA may suit your needs and it means less money outlayed and more to spend on paint etc...

 
Have fun Joker, send me a PM if you need any more info, I can give you a rundown of want I am using to paint plugs, poppers and stickbaits. By all means I am not a painter or pro airbrush user but it may help you...
 
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Forgot to mention, that Aztek airbrush can be set up as single or double action by adjusting the roller at the back of the body.
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Wow! thanks guys for all of the info - I know a lot more now. I do have a SuperCheap 2hp compressor that should do the job.
 
Just one more question - what does single/double action mean and what are the pros/cons.
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Another question
 
What is and where do I get a "Water trap" from?
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Originally posted by Joker Joker wrote:

Another question
 
What is and where do I get a "Water trap" from?


I use one of these
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Building-renovation/Tools/Airtools-compressors/Regulators-hoses/auction-349660539.htm

you can set the pressure to any psi you like



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Originally posted by Joker Joker wrote:

Another question
 
What is and where do I get a "Water trap" from?
 
When air is compressed it is heated and it expands then it cools condensing out the water which drops out into your tank or lines, the trap is to stop the water / oil coming through in your finish. It is ideal to have a trap away from the compressor as the air cools in the line going to the airbrush...
 
This is a water trap for an Iwata brush-
 
Mostly you will see these types on compressors-
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Originally posted by Joker Joker wrote:

Wow! thanks guys for all of the info - I know a lot more now. I do have a SuperCheap 2hp compressor that should do the job.
 
Just one more question - what does single/double action mean and what are the pros/cons.
 
From an airbrush site-
 
"With single action airbrushes when you push the trigger you get air and paint at the same time. With Double action airbrushes, you push down for air and then control the amount of paint you get by pulling back carefully on the trigger. This allows the double action airbrush user much greater control of the spray pattern. Although the double action airbrush is the more advanced of the two, I still reccommend starting out with a double action because your skills will quickly outgrow the simple single action."

 
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