The Sea Nymph Myth

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    Posted: 17 Oct 2010 at 6:03pm
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We've got Fisher who has an Ali version of the 16ft Sea Nymph and Olfart reckons 14'6 Sea Nymph will handle rough weather.
I've heard from other people too that Sea Nymphs do ride real well in heavier conditions.
Anybody can share their experience and give their input please???
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Bit of a Kiwi classic and icon really... the 14.6ft
 
My mate in Rotorua had one with a 115 hp on the back...by fk it flewLOL but he wanted it for the Whakatane bar... And not once did the hull feel over powered it handled it brilliantly.
 
In the real big head on seas he would pull the bung and put extra weight in the hull...made it sink down and ride better he reckoned.
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Ron blue.. I have owned a number of glass Sea Nymphs.. 2 x 14.6..  1 x16.. 1 x 17.6 and loved them all.. My present ALI boat was purchased to suit this area for beach launching and sea keeping and handling..  also changing the motor to 4 stroke for fuel economy...
Rather than go round and round and round in circles as you are.. write down what you want in a boat for the area you will be fishing in..  size, motor, electronics you want, and whether new or second hand relative to your budget.. these thing will determine what you can afford and get...
Then go out for a ride in it to see if you like it... how the motor runs and if all the gear works...
Good tidy second hand boat with the newest motor you can afford within your budget...that has a service record provided...  Take someone with you that knows what to look for..

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Rather than go round and round and round in circles as you are...Confused

I'm just trying to understand how (and if) hulls can majorly influence a boat's ability to handle rougher weather so I can steer myself in the right direction. I don't want (and that's personal) to buy rig after rig and would rather make the best choice possible with max. shared knowledge from other boaties. I find it interesting that your rig is an aluminium version of the famous fiberglass...
I think a well made hull can maximise the compromise between handling abilities, strength and water flow for fuel efficiency...maybe it yet has to be built???Smile

I've actually made heaps of progress and I think I'm getting to understand more and more what I'm looking for and what will make my choices valuable...Wink
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Ron, you do seem to be spinning in ever decreasing circles....
 
Go to your local boat ramp and see what goes in and out of the water. You might be surprised at the different boats that, if you asked the owner, would swear that it handles really well in your local conditions.
 
Search TradeMe and spend time looking at different boats, what they offer and what they cost.
 
Look at the Buy/Sell/Swap section here and buy a boat from a forum member who can vouch for it. I got a really good deal from a regular here that was bigger than I wanted, was a 25yr old hull, but ticked the most important boxes for me including having a newish outboard (2002 2 stroke). The price was VERY competitive and we have been extremely happy with it.
 
If you look long enough a boat will be just right for you and may not be the hull or outboard you have researched BUT it will be the bargain of the century.
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The Sea Nymph 146 with a 70hp outboard was an excellent sea keeping boat. There is no myth!
I had friends with them and I have never heard a bad word said about them.
The Sea Nymph 146 is an excellent example of a good NZ boat designer and builder who constructed an ideal small boat for the NZ marine environment.

Ron, do exactly what Fisher and Brooook suggest. Write down on a piece of blank paper what you want and start the first line with a $ sign......that is what you can afford.

Back in 99 I wanted a new boat, for diving and fishing, and decided to pay no more than a 4X4 tow vehicle with a 21 foot Haines Hunter.....and ended up launching a brand new 9 metre launch in 2004 that cost less than the what my budget said (first line of my blank piece of paper). It is made of wood, is from an experienced well known NZ designer and is very seaworthy in the rough stuff, and not as fast as a Haines Hunter. And have never regretted it. Goes everywhere I want and is cost effective to run and I got some immense satisfaction out of the project.


Ron, I think you budget is very tight so why not build a boat from scratch. You spread the spending out over a few years so it does not upset the bank manager, and you get exactly what you need. NZ boat designers have always drawn the best boats for NZ sea conditions.
Just helped a half broke student who is a keen diver into doing a 12 ft Pelin Nomad, stretched to 13 foot, fit a second hand tiller steered outboard between 15hp and 30hp and he will be out there using it, not dreaming about it.
I heard from another guy that there is a half finished Pelin hull on a trailer for sale on the side of the road at Waihi Beach. Just needs a motor and a keen guy to finish it.

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One of these would be cool, three size options and you can fit out the hull however yuo want.
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Ok, hull seakeeping ability depends on several things firstly the weight of the hull.  The heavier it is the more stable it's going to be and all things equal the better ride you will have.
 
Second is load distribution, all weight aft or fwd doesn't make a good ride and same with lateral weight.  A fibreglass cuddy on one side with nothing on the other can be a pain as the hull can be permanently unbalanced...
 
Third is hull shape, a pontoon can have a fairly blunt and broad shouldered bow which can pound and shove more water than it cuts.  A narrow or fine entry gives a better ride but will also be wetter and give less internal volume.
 
Somewhere in the middle of all that is the ideal boat...
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And it will always be a compromise... between ALL of them..  Firstly, Don is right on the button.. a 14.6 Sea Nymph must have a 70hp motor to use it gull wing attributes best..
Ron, you seem obsessed with this sea handling ability..
My ALI boat rode like a brick crap house with the 40hp on the back because that engine was too light and with 2 big guys up front it was nose heavy.. but I saw past that having owned many boats.. simply put more weight in the back with a 4 stroke motor...and now I have a great resolution.. power to push it and weight to balance the boat , even with 3 folks now..  One forum member said it was the"best ali boat in its size he had ever been on" and we were in 1.5 metre seas just running over the top of them...
Do the paper trick and you will see that new is not going to be affordable so next best answer is to find as Brook has mentioned, a great boat (thats a compromise) you will be happy with..
I assure you, you will get a different answer from every boat owner saying there's is the best...

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Thanks for these advices Fisher.

I'm not obsessed but it is a real important factor because I know I will be in unexpected rough situations because of where I'm going and what I will be up to. So it is kind of a vital choice for me and whoever is on that boat to have a rig that will deal with it...Ermm




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fair enough.... where will you be fishing...??  what area...??

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East Cape to Gizzy...expect the unexpected!!!
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What made the Sea Nymph 14'6 good was the deep vee and gull wings.

I bought an Allicraft 16 foot in 1991 that had the same sort of hull, but was too light with a 2mm hull.

The best hull for the rough was the ultra heavy Morgan 6.3 metre, very deep vee and big gull wings, when the Morgan landed the waves got out of the way, but at 2 nm per gallon you needed deep pockets. (200 2 stroke Merc)

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It was pretty rough this day out at the Cape in a 14,6 sea nymph!!

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nice pic!!Clap
pretty close to the action!LOL
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The best boat for a rough sea is a big heavy boat.

 Any small runabout and you should be familiar with weather forcasts for your area and the old rule of "wind with tide". If the wind and the tide are going the same way then the sea will be easier to handle than if the wind and tide are opposing.

 Was at a charter friend's place tonight and he says his old 6m McLay Fisherman hardtop with 150hp Johnson outboard (a boat I would die for!!!) was crap in the rough sea compared to his 8m SeaRanger (8mm plate alloy) with 200hp 2 stroke e-tec. In his opinion none of the "small" tinnies are any good in rough weather. He particularly disliked the boats that I liked (McLay, Surtees, etc). I asked which small boat he would recommend and he said "none of them" LOL. He said the tinnies were too light and handled like crap in rough sea.

 So it's all relative in the end.... Approve
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Ronblue, will you be beach launching?
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Hi, depending on the tide, I sometimes will have too...why's that?
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Is anyone doing the type of boating you're planning to do in the area? What are they using? I must admit your posts have confused me a bit but maybe that's just me. Wink

Beach launching, exposed isolated area, perhaps I'd be thinking pontoon or IRB. Reason being if something goes wrong and you take a wave on board, the stability compared to a standard hull will give you a better chance of self recovery. Might not give you the best speed or softest ride but when the chips are down well....

Brook makes a good point. Quite often the skipper's ability and experience level is the Achilles heel or weakest point. We were recently called to a vessel with a skipper of a 5m fibreglass runabout who was very concerned that the conditions were going to overcome his vessel. It was a bit lumpy (a little over our cabin roof I suppose) with a confused chop on top. The waves were breaking up over his foredeck and the odd one was probably washing up over the top and into his lap.

As soon as we were on scene and looking at it, it wasn't riding right. Then we did a head count, we were one short and asked the question if someone was up forw'd in the cuddy? Yes they were. We suggested they move back a bit to get the weight out of the bow, and then try to increase the speed a little from 3 knots to 5. The improvement was vast and all we had to do was shadow them home. It was a classic example of a fairly capable boat being well and truly "held back" by the skipper. His lack of experience resulted in quite a high degree the of stress / panic when faced with the conditions and as a result he developed a narrow view of options. A similar sized boat in the area had 3 guys quite relaxed chugging along! The main difference was the experience level of the skipper / crew.
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great input!
obviously skippers ability are essential!!
I'm going to get a course for advanced powerboat skills...Hopefully I'll learn a few things.
I want to have the safest boat for it's category that's why I keep OPEN MINDED, so nothing real confusing for me. It's part of a research process...But maybe it's just me!Wink

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