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    Posted: 23 May 2010 at 9:55pm
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Hi all..
 
I want to know what are the options for tying 24 / 37kg braid to a leader of 80 - 120lb  ..  something that has no hang ups so I can cast it without it catching in the rod guides..
 
Whats the options, and what are the good and bad points?
 
any tips would be appreciated..
 
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PR knot, search it on youtube, end of story... Thumbs Up
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PR knot would be my choice also.
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Originally posted by Death to Below Death to Below wrote:

PR knot, search it on youtube, end of story... Thumbs Up
 
cheers..  I have seen that one described before.. was just a little bit nervous about the bit where you melt the end of the nylon..  I think thats the one...  how do you make sure you dont damage the braid??  any tricks?
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simple if you want to cast it do a tight bimini twist and put a windon on.
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Originally posted by part-timer part-timer wrote:

Originally posted by Death to Below Death to Below wrote:

PR knot, search it on youtube, end of story... Thumbs Up
 
cheers..  I have seen that one described before.. was just a little bit nervous about the bit where you melt the end of the nylon..  I think thats the one...  how do you make sure you dont damage the braid??  any tricks?
fold back the braid, pinch and cover the braid where it stops - with your fingers/finger nails then carefully ball the end of the mono.  Leave a couple mm clear then half-hitch up to the ball and half-hitch along the braid.
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The twisted leader option is a good one or an FG knot
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Originally posted by Saltiga Saltiga wrote:

simple if you want to cast it do a tight bimini twist and put a windon on.
 

I like to sleeve the single cats paw with a little Dacron too.

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thanks for that info..  have seen how to do it on youtube..  will have a few practice runs tonight.. 
 
one more question..  can I get away with using a standard bobbin, or do I need to get a proper "weighted" bobbin  ( for 24 - 37 kg braid ) to get enough tension when doing the spiral wraps?
 
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I have seen a 6mm bolt with the hex head cut off placed inside a  bobbin and used to tie a PR knot. Might surfice for ya?
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Originally posted by part-timer part-timer wrote:

thanks for that info..  have seen how to do it on youtube..  will have a few practice runs tonight.. 
 
one more question..  can I get away with using a standard bobbin, or do I need to get a proper "weighted" bobbin  ( for 24 - 37 kg braid ) to get enough tension when doing the spiral wraps?
 
cheers,  jim
Why not, i can do them with out a bobbin at all.
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Originally posted by Titahi Titahi wrote:

I have seen a 6mm bolt with the hex head cut off placed inside a  bobbin and used to tie a PR knot. Might surfice for ya?
 
thats far too sensible......Ouch
 
does anybody whip a sleave of dacron over the whole thing to make it super smooth through the guides???  or is that overkill ??
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Originally posted by part-timer part-timer wrote:

Originally posted by Titahi Titahi wrote:

I have seen a 6mm bolt with the hex head cut off placed inside a  bobbin and used to tie a PR knot. Might surfice for ya?
 
thats far too sensible......Ouch
 
does anybody whip a sleave of dacron over the whole thing to make it super smooth through the guides???  or is that overkill ??
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I'd suggest you try the PR and practise it until you are confident it won't fail.  Once you have achieved that, you'll know that a dacron sleeve was never needed.  You'll also know that a heavily weight bobbin is essential for a well tied PR knot.  But try all these low cost options first and take the gamble.  You know you want to Wink.
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Originally posted by ChrisW ChrisW wrote:

Originally posted by part-timer part-timer wrote:

Originally posted by Titahi Titahi wrote:

I have seen a 6mm bolt with the hex head cut off placed inside a  bobbin and used to tie a PR knot. Might surfice for ya?
 
thats far too sensible......Ouch
 
does anybody whip a sleave of dacron over the whole thing to make it super smooth through the guides???  or is that overkill ??
J
 
 
I'd suggest you try the PR and practise it until you are confident it won't fail.  Once you have achieved that, you'll know that a dacron sleeve was never needed.  You'll also know that a heavily weight bobbin is essential for a well tied PR knot.  But try all these low cost options first and take the gamble.  You know you want to Wink.
 
Ha..  I dont think anyone can accuse me of not spending enough money on fishing gear over the years..  if only I had more money...  Ive tied a few tonight with a bobbin weighted with a lead core..  they look ok and havent failed apart from the first one.. which was a bit sloppy.. 
 
one question that you could answer Chris, that isnt clear in the video...  as you start the spiral wraps, there is a small area where the braid isnt tight to itself.....  then you wind down hard for 60 -70 mm...  then hard back up again.. 
 
the question is...  do you stop the return wraps, and start half hitching, on top of the hard packed spirals, or do you keep doing the return wraps right up pased that point and onto the area where the spirals are more spread out?
 
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The bobbin I use cost $5.80 from discount fishing supplies and is weighted enough to give good tension on the final knot.  I have used the more expensive options and found no difference in knot quality.
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I don't spose you know the part number of those weighted bobbins do you? Checked their site and they sell the holders but can't see the bobbins.
edit: They don't have them. They're trying to find some 4 me.
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one question that you could answer Chris, that isnt clear in the video...  as you start the spiral wraps, there is a small area where the braid isnt tight to itself.....  then you wind down hard for 60 -70 mm...  then hard back up again.. 
 
the question is...  do you stop the return wraps, and start half hitching, on top of the hard packed spirals, or do you keep doing the return wraps right up pased that point and onto the area where the spirals are more spread out?
 
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I haven't viewed the "video". 
The first hard packed wraps are for only 1cm, then you return over top of these and the looser spirals until you have done tight hard packed wraps for say 3-5cm.  Then half hitches for another 1cm, cut and burn leader and continue half hitches on braid for another 1 cm then terminate.  There are sequential photos on www.jigsdirect.com under the knots for dummies section.  Explanations in English too! Big smile  
 
The security of this connection is wholly dependant on tightness you make the close wraps.  The braid has to bite into the surface skin of the leader and hard monos are are the most challenging to connect to.  This can only come out from a suitably weighted bobbin.  Gamble with light weight home-made stuff at your own risk.  If you start getting knot failures and lose that fish of a life-time, then you only have yourself and your advisors to blame.  
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So true Chris this why i like the FG knot ,the weaves just bite in the more you pull or toss Big smile
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But Chris the tension used to create this knot comes from how many times you wrap the braid around the leg of the bobbin prior to it threading through the  needle hole, not the amount of weight used to spin the bobbin. I understand that the weight is needed in the bobbin to create enough inerta to spin the bobbin against the resistance created by the wrapps around the leg, I am all for good looking top quality gear and in fact have a JM Aluminium bobbin that i use, however I can attest that a normal bobbin with a weight inside will do the same job.

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try doing the PR with a lightweight cotton reel and you'll see what I mean.   I tried this years ago before I had these made.  I used to fill plastic cotton reels with lead shot to try and get the weight up, even lead sinkers.  Eventually I gave up trying to bodgy up a solution and had these made in an engineering shop. 
You can spend a lot of time and effort in trying to find a cheap solution to a problem when the solution is staring you in the face - get the proper tool and have no regrets.  
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