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How much drag should i have set on a spinning reel when throwing poppers and skipping piper for kingfish?
And is it the same from boat/rocks?
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I usually go 6-8KG

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That's a good question...I was wondering what drag settings everyone else had in these situations.
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I usually go 6-8KG

What made you choose that setting cal25?
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to add to PF's question , at what line strength? and would you/could you use the same on an OH reel?
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PF -  Basically 1/3 of my 24KG braid im spooled with.
 
I say 6-8 KG because if often mucked around with during my trip.....seemed to work OK with a few kings hooked up etc.....not a major one yet tho.
 
 
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If am using poppers i go for a lighter drag...seen heaps of people put too much drag on and pull the hooks.....When the kingi hits you can hook it anywhere,that hook could be in its face and will pull easily with too much drag...With a piper i would go for it as they inhale those..Just my two cents worth.....Plus i want my popper back,so i try not to piss the fish off 2 muchLOL....If in deeper water,you have more room to play with. I hooked a king at the barrier once on a popper(rocks) and he didnt even do a run....Just wound him in(not big though)....Laidback king!
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I would set around 5kg. Just gotta know your reel and how much to turn the drag to set it to the nominal setting. 8kg if fishing 24kg line.

5kg would be enough to set the hook, and you can always hold the spool for a quick few sharp strikes to set that hook solid before cranking the drag up. 8kg of drag might catch you a bit off guard on a sudden strike.


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Thanks some good advise there..also on the subject of poppers do you guys get rid of the trebles and go with a single hook i believe the trebles can do alot of damage to the fish which isnt good if you want to release them.

Whats the best style of hook to use as a replacement?
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Originally posted by Photofisha Photofisha wrote:

Thanks some good advise there..also on the subject of poppers do you guys get rid of the trebles and go with a single hook i believe the trebles can do alot of damage to the fish which isnt good if you want to release them.

Whats the best style of hook to use as a replacement?


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I also use livebait hooks. Usually 8/0 Owners which are very strong and with short shanks. You've gotta make sure that the hooks can't get caught around each other during the cast and landing which can happen with hooks with longer shanks. I usually also attach a ball bearing swivel to the front of the popper if I have replaced the hooks as I'm never 100% if the strength of the split rings has been undermined in the change over process (the gauge is pretty thick on those Owners).
 
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Originally posted by Photofisha Photofisha wrote:

Thanks some good advise there..also on the subject of poppers do you guys get rid of the trebles and go with a single hook i believe the trebles can do alot of damage to the fish which isnt good if you want to release them.

Whats the best style of hook to use as a replacement?
 
I had a good kingi a couple years back straighten the trebles on a Rapala Popper - the drag wasnt cranked that much, though it was towing me and the 12 footer around a little bit Smile
 
I replaced the trebs with some long shank 6/0 Gamakatsus - forget the exact model though and they have worked well on a few kings.  As beached as mentioned ensure that they are not going to tangle with each other during casting!!
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Not a fan of trebles at all. just too much carnage for the fish that gets hooked up.

Have read up a bit on the use of freehanging assist hooks being used too. Same as you would on a jig. I expect they would work pretty damn well also.

Decent sized livebait style hooks would be the go. Though a strong gammy works well in piper skip baits.
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Ok shows how much i know...NOT.. i thought you replaced the trebles with 1 single hook.
So is it 2 or 3 singles that you use?
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You do replace the trebles with a single hook. 1 single hook for each treble (so 2 singles).
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I prefer to run 2 up front and 1 down the back.  Has worked for me pretty well.

 
Also use smaller livebait hooks. My hooks do just touch thought and can hookup on casting - happens maybe 1 in 20 or 30 casts though so not too annoying really as long as ya dont miss a hookup which hasnt happened yet but always could.
 
I dont like to run heaps of drag when just casting and retrieving. Have it set only couple kg so they hit , turn and run a tiny bit and then crank it up and get in to em. Beauty of some reels is that they are pretty sensitive to relatively small turn of the drag knob. As long as ya know about how far to go it can work really well.
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Originally posted by JK JK wrote:

I prefer to run 2 up front and 1 down the back.  Has worked for me pretty well.

 
Also use smaller livebait hooks. My hooks do just touch thought and can hookup on casting - happens maybe 1 in 20 or 30 casts though so not too annoying really as long as ya dont miss a hookup which hasnt happened yet but always could.
 
I dont like to run heaps of drag when just casting and retrieving. Have it set only couple kg so they hit , turn and run a tiny bit and then crank it up and get in to em. Beauty of some reels is that they are pretty sensitive to relatively small turn of the drag knob. As long as ya know about how far to go it can work really well.

Do you tie those two hooks together with a cable tie jk?or free moving..you tie straight to the split ring is it? no solid ring?
I find the biggest problem with the trebles is if the fish gets the popper right down its gob! bloody hard work getting it out from there,especially if hooked in the roof of the mouthLOL
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Yep cable tied to split ring. Use good ones though and replace after fish if need be.
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Thanks for the tips there.
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I had John @ Yeehaa rig some poppers and stickbaits for me yesterday and change the trebles out  similar to JK's, only difference being he rigged the tail hook like a short jig assist hook and we added a ball swivel in the nose.



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