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Here is a letter I was sent tonight, and asked to circulate as widely as I could... so I shall post it up here for you all to consider,
Cheers, Stu.
 
Subject:: Great Barrier Marine Reserve

The Ministry of Fisheries is just finalising its advice paper to the Minister in regards to giving his concurrence to the Aotea, Gt Barrier Island marine reserve.
MFish are offering a final opportunity to provide any new information before they complete their advice for the Minister of Fisheries to make his decision.  If you do have any additional information from that which you have provided in 2004 - such as changes in fishing practices in the area, economic value of the area, costs to your business etc, then I advise that you contact MFish directly.  They are intending to send a final recommendation report to the Minister in the next 2 weeks.

MFish Contact is: Jo Anderson, (04) 819-4772 ([email protected])

Unfortunately I am no longer comfortable what has transpired behind closed doors and with the potential outcomes from this process. I have a reservation that MFish might be selective with their advise as they are apt to do at times. If the advise follows their past track record they will give the Minister a number of options with a weighting of what they believe the Government will want to hear. Which will once again be counter productive to what we the extractive users wish.

We all know that DOC ran a consultative process that was quite deceitful. We equally know that the Minister of Conservation was less that generous with the truth. And we know that the eco-ites are very selective with the truth. We also know the Ministry has spoken with Maori. What we don�t know is if any deals have been offered or accepted.

This means we now have to make urgent last submissions adding only new information, which is hard in its self as we all have made substantial submissions. But if any one has any new information available please let me know ASAP.

While I am the eternal optimist and have a lot of respect for this Minister, Jim Anderton, I would be the last to try and second guess him in the hope that commonsense will prevail.

Having been caught before with the way these decisions are released and if we have not learnt anything else we should know that the current processes for creating marine reserves ignores the truth and any undue or adverse effect it might have on fishing. It ignores the cumulative effect. It ignores displacement effects and we only have to look at CRA3 to see those results. It fails to recognise other forms of marine protected areas or tools. It fails to acknowledge the wider public good. It fails to acknowledge the undue and adverse effects on fishing. And finally it fails to acknowledge the principles and requirements of the Hauraki Gulf Maritime parks Act and the recent KLC decision. But then Minister Carter is noted for his failings in these areas. But lets not be quick to tar Minister Jim with the same brush. DoC have consistently fails to consult and talk with us because we want to talk on subjects they don�t want to hear.

No we are not against marine reserves for the sake of it and for the record I repeat, the NZRFC was an applicant for one and supported twelve MR proposals.   We objected to five.  We lost several of those objections, notably Parininihi, Wellington South Coast and Tapuae but some objections are still very much alive including Aotea (Great Barrier Island).

Aotea is a destination not a way point on your way to somewhere else, unless you are heading to the Kermadec�s. The area proposed for 47,000ha or 47 square kilometres for a marine reserve is on the north east coast of the Barrier. The only protected sport fishing waters in our prevailing sou westers. It removes 70% of the rocky foreshore from the back of the Barrier. It erodes our access rights when the area is not at risk.
DoC have failed to acknowledge the large Navy no fishing, no anchoring sound range just adjacent on its sou-eastern boundary and they have failed to acknowledge the 100s of square kilometres of no fishing no anchoring cable protection area a bit further north passing the Mokes. The Department says that these areas do not count as the Minister has them as MPAs by default thankyou. He fails to acknowledge that the Barrier is protected by its isolation and therefore is not at risk. He fails to recognise other management tools available and that DoC cannot effect compliance and in his greed he only wants to lockup another 47,000 ha.. of public water space thus eroding the rights of the wider boating community. I will reserve any further comments.

This being the case we now need to prepare for the worse and that is the Minister of Fisheries under political pressure will give his concurrence because that is Government policy. A tough call for Jim and I do not envy him in his decision making process one bit. Because if he agrees there is no amount of political spin doctoring that will convince us he has made an impartial decision based on the best information before him.

Which will only leave one option open to us and that is to test this decision and the advice of both MFish and DoC in the Courts. The one consolation here is that I am confident that we will gain the commercial industry support.

Therefore I have opened up discussions with our respected lawyers who have a professional expertise in these matters with a view to reviewing our case and recommending a way forward. If the Minister was to make an adverse decision and we are to take the Minister to court and I hope we don�t, we will need to raise some serious money within a very short time frame and as such I am giving you all a heads up say to all fishers and boaties who value the back of the Barrier for what it is, think about it. As I may have to be asking you all to support the value you place on this part of the Barrier and front up. To this end I would ask for your comments and support by registering your interest with the NZRFC either by return email or our secretary Sheryl Hart email: [email protected]. Please put Aotea Gt Barrier in the subject box.

Just what we needed on top of shared fisheries, the marine protected areas classification and standards, Maui dolphins/set nets and Fisheries standards, IPPs, the KLC defence and a raft of other issues all of which have the potential to erode our access rights to a reasonable share. Do you see a pattern developing? Yes it could be all part of a cunning bureaucratic ploy of striking while we are distracted elsewhere. Am I being unkind? Maybe! I will let you decide.

Now don�t be bashful, please circulate this widely, be they green or otherwise, our intentions are honourable and clear. And yes the Minister will know our intent sooner than later. Not as a threat! But, because I am not the type to work behind peoples backs in a deceitful manner.

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here we go again....
why on earth is it us the recreational fisher person that has to keep on given given given our right to fish away all the dam time.....
why dont the powers to be slow the dam Commercial fleet down so we dont have to give give give all the time.......
we would not need a reserve if they knocked there Quota back to save our fish.....
im sick to death of it....
Tobes had a great idea....
lets pick a weekend a Saturday or Sunday and take our boats on a slow drive along the motorway if we could get fifty rigs all moving along at once we would im sure attract some attention.....
anyone want to do this?????????????????
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Originally posted by Lethal Lethal wrote:

here we go again....
why on earth is it us the recreational fisher person that has to keep on given given given our right to fish away all the dam time.....
why dont the powers to be slow the dam Commercial fleet down so we dont have to give give give all the time.......

 
The only reason I can think of Lethal is that us recs haven't made enough noise as a united front. Option 4 are trying their best but really we need a lot more boats on board to make a big push. The convoy is a good idea, get on and start organising it!
 
This is supposed to be a democratic country afterall so its time the people made a big noise and put real pressure on the govt to give the public resource back to the public. Not just a few lawmakers lawbreakers and accountants.
 
I too lose heart when I see the very thing I love being wrecked by the people that govern the waters. As the worlds waters are quickly being emptied of fish surely �t is in everyones interests (including the comms) to ensure more fish in the water for future years. And surely that means knocking back the quotas..
 
There must be quite a few tourist dollars that come into NZ for its recreational fishing, in the future it could be a lot more than what it is today, as long as there is fish a plenty in the sea and easy access to them that is..
 
Reserves can be a good idea but the pattern is so obvious now, lock out areas to everyone and the comms can clean out the rest.
 
Im amazed more boating companies aren't making more of a noise. They have an interest also that we recs are out there reguarly catching fish.
 
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Yeah well, good luck in stopping the DoC Nazis making a Marine Reserve. But I hold very little hope for you.
I protested, submitted, yada yada yada against the Reserve off White Cliffs in Northern Taranaki. 900-odd public submissions against, 20 for.
In the end, DoC said that the main reason that the marine was needed was so that they could do a scientific study on some sponge that nobody had ever heard of, ever disturbed, ever even knew was there.
Boys, this was for a large reef area that's about 15nm from any boat ramp, was hardly ever fished and in no need of any protection.
 
Of course, while this was happening (about two years ago), recreational fishers of the area drew little or no support from other areas - even though we said that this same issue will visit your doorstep soon. Well, now it is and good luck to you.
 
But protest all you like - I went to a public meeting and I saw DoC's attitude. They'll stand up expert after expert who will talk so much goobly-gook that nobody really understands; then DoC will stand up and say, "See." Then you'll go on about the public's right to their Coastline, they'll say, "Irrelevant and the Minister is about to sign, so why don't you all just pi55 off. Green is the colour brother and we have the power."
 
Commiserations, you're about to be screwed.
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Beagles right in the way DoC function and I know the same will happen at Gt Barrier. (Remember the Volkners)
 
We have had 2 reserves go in on our doorstep down here with overwhelming submissions against them. I feel the only way is through the courts, cause DoC (Department of Confiscation) will ignore the people and do what Uncle Helen wants.
 
Not sure if pi$$ing of the general public by further congesting the AKL roads is a good idea either. The general unwashed don't give a sh#t and if they do they have been brain washed by DoC propaganda.
 
But you have my support.
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Originally posted by Lethal Lethal wrote:

here we go again....

lets pick a weekend a Saturday or Sunday and take our boats on a slow drive along the motorway if we could get fifty rigs all moving along at once we would im sure attract some attention.....
anyone want to do this?????????????????
 
Thats exactly the sort of thing we should be doing, us Kiwis sit back and whinge and generally do fark all, look at the french (****ers) the farmers drive the tractors and shut down motorways, truckies do the same.
 
Lethal, Im in (when i finally get my boat) and I will tell all my mates who have boats as well, forget fifty I rekon we could get 200
 
Its about time we made the ******* noticeAngryAngryAngry  
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You really want to start having an impact on governmental decision making? Then I suggest you all support the introduction of a Recreational salt water fishing licence.
WHAT!!!!
Have it as a rec fishing council licence, all funds to that council. $25 a year for every angler, that will give millions a year in funding to the recfishing council,- who at the moment get the pathetic sum of around $50-60 grand from the govt- and this would quickly give US as anglers the funding to carry out media work, fund studies, and generally carry the fight to the government for our rights to fish.
Without this funding however, then you can be absolutely certain that no politician or high level bureaucrat will ever give a stuff about our opinions.
Oh, and I think the issue of Maori not needing licences coz of the waitangi thing is just a blind... it doesn't matter if they do not want to contribute, make buying the tickets a lottery for a new boat or two, and non-licence holders can go to pot.
The point is, even if only half of our fishermen buy a licence, then at long last there will be funding available for our rec fishing representatives to actually take on such issues, legally, politically and in the media to counter the very well funded and organised green movement.
Just my thoughts anyhow.
Cheers,
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This country is a joke.
The government is supposed to be there to do the wishes of the voters who elected them. Instead we are told what to do and the government do what they ****ing like.
 
Out of the general public, who actually supports these stupid proposals? I'd hazard a guess that 95% of the people who go to the back of the barrier go there to fish and dive, so why the **** would DoC make it a reserve? Maybe 5% benefit and 95% lose out. It makes no sense...
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Originally posted by Boz19 Boz19 wrote:

This country is a joke.
The government is supposed to be there to do the wishes of the voters who elected them. Instead we are told what to do and the government do what they ****ing like.


Nail on the head right there Boz!
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I'd pay $25 for a membership along with the donations I already make to option4.  Dan
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 cpt asparagus is right, we need a fund for fighting for our right to fish $25 for a yearly licence is less than the price for bait for one days fishing. yet it would give us a powerful voice. people need to think about their fishing future.

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Originally posted by Capt Asparagus Capt Asparagus wrote:

You really want to start having an impact on governmental decision making? Then I suggest you all support the introduction of a Recreational salt water fishing licence.
 
Very good point Stu....
 
I'd never thought of it that way before, it would mean a much bigger (and funded) voice...
 
I have thought about this extensively over the last 30 seconds and I nominate you to lead the process and get the ball rolling...
 
Does option 4 have an opinion on this?
 
 
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I agree with Stu on this not much to pay per year for a greater say with more muscle
Just like i dont mind paying for the use of a boat ramp so long as that money is spent on that ramps upkeep
Not much to pay to enshure my daughters kids and i can still fish in the future
 Make it one fee Coastguard ,ramps and fishing license
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I certainly think including a coastguard proportion in the licence would be good, funding for the coastguard/monitoring recreational epirbs etc was one reason I also endorsed the idea of a national boat registration. However, I hasten to add, a register of boats only, NOT a warrant of fitness  or boat-users licence.
:-) This whole thing could get very political quickly, couldn't it? :-)
cheers all,
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No i agree Stu no warrant of fitnessetc just aregister would be good ,all iwould want was transparency as to where the money was being used and it would have to be administered by boaties for boaties not by pollies or thier appointed flunkies/mates Maybe a small commitee representative of boatbuilders ,retailers ,fishermen,,probably left someone out but thinking as i type
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 Exclamation Fishing licence. Those people who can't see the wood for the trees will scream, never never will I pay for a licence to fish in the sea.
 
 LampAs I see it , it is the only way to get substantial funds to fight for our existing rights.
 
 Wink Most thinking fishers have already supported option 4 and the kahawai struggle so you can say we are already paying a fee.
 
 Thumbs%20Up Having a licence would get those who couldn't care less about what happens in someone else's patch, but scream like stuck pigs when their area is subject to controls to contribute to the general cause.
 
 Hug Even a modest $10.00 would be a huge help, think about it fishers, it is our future.
 
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I have no problem with a licence, just keep those goverment ****ing maggots away from it. I am sick of various forms of funding being diverted into the great slush fund. If I'm going to pay a licence fee it should go directly to fisheries interests not ANYTHING else.Angry I am struglling to avoid a rant here but too many times we have seen forms of fund raising turn into a new tax.
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Bull****... bull**** politics no ****in we should have to pay for our own natural resource. Unlike  the fresh water system which is stocks are largely commercially bred...

sorry but i dont agree with any of it. our sea is our natural resource and we as public  should be able to enjoy it and be responsible about it with out some pencil pushing yes man/woman saying we cant..

some may not like what ive said quite frankly i dont give ****

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some of me says listen to Rocko some says don''t i wonder how long  before it costs to go to the bch
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You are welcome to your opinion Rocko, but really mate, how else are you going to try to fund a recreational defence of our right to fish?
The government? Do not tell me you seriously expect any government to fund any organisation that will be at loggerheads with government departments. No way Jose!
No, we have to fund ourselves to fight for our rights. You are absolutely right when you say "our sea is our natural resource and we as public  should be able to enjoy it and be responsible about it" . It should be that way in an ideal world, but you cannot think it really is a perfect world do you?
 
I would love to think that a benevolent government would adequately fund recreational fishing bodies to look after our interests for us... but mate, it is not happening now, and will not happen in the future. In the real world, Money talks, as they say, and without substantial funding, I am afraid our voice is on a permanent Mute setting.
 To just say "This is wrong, someone should help us!" will get us.... well, precisely where we are today, frankly, on the losing side of every fisheries related argument.
You need to get away from the idea that you are paying for a natural resource..., rather, a licence is simply the simplest, fairest and most efficient way of funding people to represent YOUR interests in keeping that resource in place. Relying on occasional supporters to create enough funding, such as those of us who contribute to the various rec fishing funds will never get the level of funding this problem requires. We need to get in MILLIONS worth of funding, not thousands.
 
So Rocko, how would YOU suggest we deal with this issue?
 
Cheers,
Stu.
 
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