How often should you adjust your trailer bearings?

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    Posted: 09 Dec 2021 at 7:47pm
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So doing some general checks - I have a 1.5 year old trailer and today is its 4th time I have had to tighten the Hubs up. The trailer has bearing buddies which I was told not to over fill - i.e 6 pumps every 6 months or so. 

I adjusted em after getting the boat home from Hamilton to feilding. Then a few months later I checked and again there was play in the hub. I took it to a workshop to get them to inspect the bearings and they believed they had quiet seated - they retightened em and said they fine. that was 6-7 months ago. 

I do a bit of hauling, took it to coromandel after the workshop checked it over ( that why i put it in) and drive it 1hour each way for fishing, 2-3 times a month .

How often is too often? how often should they need adjusting. 

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They shouldn't need adjusting that often. Although you should be checking them that often.

Chinese bearings are punishing. Make sure they are quality Japanese ones. I would check they are Japanese ones.


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Mine is a tandem set up carrying 2.2 tonne. I have had it three years now and haven't had to touch them. If the trailer is going to sit in one position for long periods with out use and you have a solid base to store it on I would recommend jacking the axles up and taking the weight off the wheels so that the rollers in the bearings don't have a chance to get corrosion fretting. I haven't done this mainly because the unit sits on the grass. A friend who had a smaller unit had to change his bearings every WOF so I got him to jack it up in winter when he didn't use it and since then has had no issues. Back in the old days we were forever changing wheel bearings in cars and trailers but I think improvements in materials for seals, bearing quality and probably lubricants are much better. Now you can drive a vehicle for 400000 km and have no issues with ball joints, bearings or any of the things that used to give issues. I still lift each wheel every 6 months and listen for any noise and check for play ( similar to having a wof check)
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As above you shouldn’t need to check them all the time maybe every six months with the miles your doing. Bearing buddies are good, main thing is try to keep the hubs away from the water when your launching and retrieving.

Bearings are easy to check, buy yourself a small trolley jack and as with everything nowadays there’s plenty of good information and vids on YouTube.
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My opinion, change them now before Xmas, if they have needed tightening that often, they are of poor quality and will soon fail.

One of my jobs this weekend in between finishing my boat off, Jack up, check bearings and change brake pads. Pads done every year regardless.
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I support most of the thoughts and recommendations above.
Use Japanese bearings.
Check every six months.
Removing weight in park ok.However, jacking the axles compresses the springs and creates other issue further down the track.
So jack up the frame.

Back to your problem.
I have to guess here.if the trailer is old and even if it isn't sometimes you are battling excessive wear due tho undue side loading, and the main point here is the axle stub or hub housing is not at the right tolerance. Either to small or two large.
Proper inspection and measurement here will either shed light or elimate those possibilities
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They shouldn't need adjusting that often. Although you should be checking them that often.

Chinese bearings are punishing. Make sure they are quality Japanese ones. I would check they are Japanese ones.

 Yep.. Jap, or Korean or Aussie or USA  but not Chinese or packet marked usa but bearing made in mexico.

And because have to re tighten will be chinese.
 You do not mention if when you spin them up there is a rumble...
ANY rumble, before or after or any time is a bearing failed

My opinion, change them now before Xmas, if they have needed tightening that often, they are of poor quality and will soon fail.

 Again not just good advice, but what you should do.
And to add to that use a BRAND name marine bearing grease like Evinrude RED bearing Triple Guard

 I have tandem trailer , and has to maneuver into some tight cnrs.. used to be a 3 to 5 point turns.. bearing have been in for near 10yrs now, regular use.. Think Korean or  USA bearings.. any way same bearings as my old 69Camaro..
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So I decided to pull em ( the bearings) out and have a wee look at what I'm dealing with. . . .not that I have experience with them....

Sadly problems were many. 

  1. bearings were marked "china"
  2. Rear seal seemed to be worthless full of rust
  3. an outter bearings race/cup had spun in the hub.....
So I went hub shopping but alas the hubs weren't std sizes - bearings weren't straight forward to get either....... 

So after much swearing I decided to hit up the company that sold me the boat and trailer package. At 18 months old I didn't think new hubs would be required.

The Seller was fantastic, I was contacted immediately and solutions were worked through. Initial intensions were full axle replacement, due to some constraints outside of his control replacement quality hubs with 2 sets of bearings ( new set and spare new set) are being provided and delivered prior to xmas (by hand) 

Explanation on why these types of hubs and bearings were used were given (trailer building company now no longer exists) and the company / owner now is a distributor of a superior  trailer company that uses std sized bearings etc.

Very happy with the service from Ric at Seaforce NZ in hamilton.

Thanks to all for the input


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Everyone makes mistakes, it's how that mistake is dealt with that shows you're dealing with a good company or not, and whether or not they might get used again.

Solid outcome. At least you can rest easy now.
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Everyone makes mistakes, it's how that mistake is dealt with that shows you're dealing with a good company or not, and whether or not they might get used again.

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Last Sunday blew a bearing couple of k from home,go to repco,holden or ford,dunno,so brought both,nope neither fit,take hub in.Arr 52mm ,fitted not right but enough to get home. 

Go to saeco with hub in hand,yep this is the kit. Get home Arr F@#k. one right one wrong,then discovered that the ones brought from repce one was right ,so all good now.

Mentioned Saeco that I dont want chineese crap that repco sells.Mate we supply repco and no not use chinese but Japan made.In fact we are part of repco.

Thinking by going to the bearing shop with hub in hand they would get it right?? Where is the knowledge in these places from??
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Interesting, most bearings and parts are made under licence in China,, most OEMs moved to China, India and some of the so called under developed countries with their QA systems in place and modern factories the products are 2nd to none
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Barings have been covered many times here in the forms.
 How to check, how often, how to replace..

Also what bearings to use, where and how to source etc.. what not to get..

Bearing buddies how to install and maintain, how they work..
And other stuff like broken studs on the side of the road.

A lot has been made of not being one of those being on the side of the road.

Also there have been snide, underlying BS comments about those who do post the how tos etc.

Maybe more time and notice should be made of such advice than continuous pin pricking of those ppl Wink

Does jacking up each wheel at least 0nce a yr, preferably 2X per yr... grab the top and bottom of the tyre and shake hard to feel for any play... then spin the wheel, see if spins free and no rumble noise ....
 All Too hard?
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Originally posted by tjm tjm wrote:

Interesting, most bearings and parts are made under licence in China,, most OEMs moved to China, India and some of the so called under developed countries with their QA systems in place and modern factories the products are 2nd to none


The above is very true, I head up a Engineering team and we work our way though about 75 to 100k of bearings per year. I've asked a our reps the questions around were bearings are made a few times. Looking at the SKF boxes for example some are Mexico, France, China, Italy for example. I wouldn't get to hung up on were they are made but use a known brand ie SKF, Timken, NSK etc.

I've seen some absolutely spot on precision machining come out of China and some absolute crap also.
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Originally posted by Steps Steps wrote:

Barings have been covered many times here in the forms.
 How to check, how often, how to replace..

Also what bearings to use, where and how to source etc.. what not to get..

Bearing buddies how to install and maintain, how they work..
And other stuff like broken studs on the side of the road.

A lot has been made of not being one of those being on the side of the road.

Also there have been snide, underlying BS comments about those who do post the how tos etc.

Maybe more time and notice should be made of such advice than continuous pin pricking of those ppl Wink

Does jacking up each wheel at least 0nce a yr, preferably 2X per yr... grab the top and bottom of the tyre and shake hard to feel for any play... then spin the wheel, see if spins free and no rumble noise ....
 All Too hard?
When the WOF is 6 monthly due trailer age,there is the bearing check twice yearly,now WOF issued in November and only towed  about 100km since,point is you never know when one is going to go. But taking hub to make sure you get exactly the right bearings and still get supplied with wrong ones not a lot you can but go back and try again. Why would you get one 52mm and 1x 48mm when both are 52mm.And it appers all bearing are the same,marine/non marine,marine difference is you get a seal. Where has the expertise gone too??
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There's nothing stopping you doing your own bearing check. I do mine every 3 months
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There's nothing stopping you doing your own bearing check. I do mine every 3 months

Yep I even write in felt on the mud guard the date of the last check.. Espec when trailers that have a load on remain stationary for periods of time..
 Back in the day it was common for caravans, boats to be jacked up at the back (or a block for a boat) and lot of the weight taken up with the jockey .. and a potato sack hung over the tyre to protect from sun.

 And lets not forget the old trick to try and fool the WoF guy.. a bearing check just before the wof.. bit of play rumble, so quick grease , re torque , and often will pass... by time get home and if check would be a fail.
So have your wof, on dud bearings and happily think because has wof its fixed...Wink
Spent many yrs/ decades in a near everyday in a auto workshop in Sth Auckland , also reading Radiator at morning teas.  And if you know what Radiator is you will understand what I am saying. WoF where booked in after morning teas.. Shop was 2.8 and 2.9 for some 30yrs.. and only some will know what that means..
 But what the hell would I know...?
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It only takes one trip, a bit of water in and you have a bearing on its way to failure. Especially bad if you tow long distance. My round trip is nearly 400km. I do those very regularly.
I try and check them far more than the WOF, especially when it has a 3 year WOF. ..
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It only takes one trip, a bit of water in and you have a bearing on its way to failure. Especially bad if you tow long distance.

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Yep espec long distance, even a 30min open road is enough.
What happens is usually ambient temps are down in the morning.
Bearings hubs etc cold.
 Head to the ramp, hubs bearing warm up..normal.
 You back down into the cold water, sudden cooling of hubs bearings, vaccuum pulls when hubs submerged.. and sucks in a little bit water.
Even more so with generally lower fresh river water temps.
Espec if have std , and not double marine grade seals in the back.

And that is where correctly pressured bearing buddies come in.
When the vacuum is pulled the spring pressure still on the 'buddies take up the vacuum.

 So 5  things generally cause marine trailer/ water failure
1/ incorrect rear seals
2/ Dont use brand marine bearing grease.. eg Evinrude RED triple guard... and dont trust your local service shop to actually use it either.
3/ ppl who dump the trailer way deeper than best practice  and what trailer is designed for... (thinking deep makes easier launch/ retirive
4/ dont check their  bearing buddies pressures
5/ Over tighten the bearing because WoF comes up and a little play.
6/ Sit with full weight on the hubs without moving for long periods of times.

 Get it right , do the regular checks as Dave suggests and bearing last out a good decade and more..and without any need to adjust castle nuts.

I take the attitude.. bearings dont fail.. the person does.. because haven't done due maintenance/care.
We keep blaming inanimate objects and others rather than take responsibility these days.

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I am looking to try out these UNIHUB I saw the other day on a new GFab trailer. They run a single "preloaded" bearing instead of two cup n cone style. Has anyone used these yet? and does the threaded O-ring dust cap do the job?

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