Sulphur Point boat launching pontoons (Tauranga )

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    Posted: 25 May 2018 at 1:53pm
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The council recently upgraded the Launching/Retrieving Pontoons, due to recent storm damage.
This has provided a fraction of the community a new fishing position.
These pontoons are for boats comming or leaving and boarding.
No signage is posted, regarding fishing prohibited.
Whose problem will it be, when someone is crushed, or propellers fouled and damage caused by people injuries/failing to move in time?
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Can see that getting messy quickly. I hate banning fishing from wharves etc as I grew up fishing from wharves all over Auckland and other places when on holiday. Trouble in this case is that you can't have both activities and fishing will need to get banned before some locals think it is their god given right to fish there and start abusing the boaties or interrupting their fishing. 
What would be awesome to see would be some far sighted councils building fishing piers to cater for the huge % of the population who like to fish and the kids that don't have dads etc with boats. Trouble is that the Council would have to spend $huge on issuing themselves with environmental permits and dealing with all bureaucratic requirements before they could spend the $'s to build a fishing wharf. Fortunately that wasn't the deal many years back so there is still the occasional wharf you can fish off until the council decides that they don't want to maintain it or there is some liability that they don't want to be responsible for.
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Always used to have no fishing signs there in the past.
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Thanks for your comments guys I agree with you both. Council have responded verbally and said that they would look at it????....meanwhile I believe the offenders Will get the universel shout ..."Please F×%k off"
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Is it really a problem?? Has anyone actually had any problems?? I never have or heard of anyone launching or retrieving their boat having an issue and I also have taken my kids fishing off there instead of taking the boat out. 
I think people would be all ok if you had to come in on the end pontoons if you got them to wind their lines in. I don't think I have ever parked on the end pontoons either - always waited until there is a space on the inner ones. 
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I don't know if there have been probs at Sulphur Point Mathew but there certainly were at the Pilot Baywharf in recent times.
Kids fishing, swimming & "bombing", refusing to allow boats to dis-embark passengers, claiming they were there "first".
Not sure how it was handled beyond signs being put up.

Tagit's idea of a fishing jetty has much merit..
Maybe the likes of the Port of Tauranga could provide some dosh towards one seeing as they closed down all access to their wharfs
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I have launched my boat at Sulphur point once or twice over the years. 
Rarely have I seen boats tied up where the people are fishing.  I think three times I have towed boats back in and parked them where the people are fishing with no problems at all from other jetty users.
Most boaties head in and out without parking on these outside jetties.
 
Most of the fishing I see there are kids and I am all for encouraging kids to fish and swim here as there are bugger all other locations for them to recreate.
 
I think we need to share the limited resources we have, and stop trying to claim the jetty just for one group (boaties). 
 
I would rather see people fishing here than wandering around town sniffing glue or doing other ****.
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What FB said,Have never seen or heard of any issues.

Its not like they cast out into the channel,lose a lot of gear if they done that

The p#### who back into vechles and dont leave there details!! are a bigger issue.
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If everyone can coexist happily that is the perfect answer. The question will be whether it can stay that way on a busy summer weekend.
Over the years I have had issues in various places with jetty fisherman getting upset when I needed to use the jetty for landing or fuel etc. Usually a bunch of abuse and maybe the odd threatening gesture as you approach. I am quite happy to share the infrastructure, just let me come in and out for a few minutes when I need to without anyone getting all agro. The issue I think comes when the jetty fisherman have unobstructed access and start to feel 'ownership' of the space. 
Maybe the Tauranga council instead of putting up No Fishing signs could instead put up signs saying that boats have first rights to use the jetty space and fishermen must wind in and move to make space if required. That at least makes it clear to all that a boat needing space to dock has priority. Most of us would probably do that as a natural courtesy, but there are plenty out there who would rather 'defend their perceived rights'. I think that would be a really good experiment to see if well worded signage would allow good cohabitation. 
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Maybe the Tauranga council instead of putting up No Fishing signs could instead put up signs saying that boats have first rights to use the jetty space and fishermen must wind in and move to make space if required. 

 That to me seems a very good starting point
From memory, going back a few years now, the wharf, bottom end waiheke in waiheke channel used have a sign along those lines.
 Its a little more than a jetty and a few ferries go in every now and then.. well used to dont know about now.
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Anyone wants to know about kids on wharfs, ask Tzer about the problems they have in Gisborne.
Kids climbing on launches to jump from the top & leaping in in front of boats that are coming in to berth.
It's a damn shame that local authority's don't cater for the kids in that respect.
Fishing only wharfs like that at Brighton, Christchurch & bombing wharfs would go a long way to keeping everyone happy.
When there's nothing provided, the kids make their own fun & you can't blame them.
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It would be nice if the Gisborne council would maintain the existing pontoons let alone give us a set of extra pontoons so we could have a true two lane ramp . In recent times they have got on top of the jumpers by having a couple of city watch/security people stationed there on busy weekends. I can now see why they are letting the ramp run down as they want tourists and pedestrians at the wharf and not trailer boats . They are basically planting trees and making the place unfriendly to manoeuvring trailers and parking. Full credit to tzer as he has been verry active in opposing this so called development even though during the busy season his boat is in the marina.
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When I spoke with Richard ****** (council appropriate person) he undstood my concerns, however the logistics of maintaining /policing it would be a nightmare.
tagit's comments appear do-able.
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I too believe Tagit's solution of signage could work.
I remember many years ago , a friend of mine had a vacant section in an Auckland industrial area and he was plagued with people dumping rubbish. He subsequently put up warning signs saying " no dumping" of rubbish. I thought that would be a waste of time but I was wrong..... they worked like magic. I came to the conclusion that most people will intrinsically want to obey authority!! they must have just driven on to another site that didn't have a sign .
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Anyone wants to know about kids on wharfs, ask Tzer about the problems they have in Gisborne.
Kids climbing on launches to jump from the top & leaping in in front of boats that are coming in to berth.
It's a damn shame that local authority's don't cater for the kids in that respect.

 I dont think the bureaucracy of a local council.. well anyone, would go down such a route .. Just got to consider the attendance of  life savers, and the number on dty at a council in door swimming pool facility..
 And  even then the slightest thing go wrong, the resulting trial by social media BS.
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There are several new wharfs and jetty's on the Strand, Tauranga CBD. They have purpose built jumping platforms on them. There's also floating jetty's for boats to tie up to. I was down there a few weeks ago and people were performing all sorts of intended activities with no obvious congestion issues to any of the users. With the millions of dollars the port makes, a healthy donation from them towards a similar facility at Sulphur Point/Mount would be a much appreciated contribution to those that don't own boats. Sign installed a Sulphur Point giving direction to these facilities would help.
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I can't say I'm against people fishing from the pontoons at boat ramps but they need to realise they are there for boats and they need to get out of the way for boats coming in/out. 

I'm not so sure swimming is a good idea especially when there are boats and propellers in the water. Boats have plenty of blind spots and you would never see a kid who just swum underneath the pontoon when you are coming along side. 

Two recent instances that have happened to me that makes me against it which is typical of a few ruining it for everyone. 

1. I was coming back in from a mornings fishing and there were two guys taking up half of the only pontoon with chilly bins, chairs and tackle boxes plus bait all over the pontoon itself. Neither of them pulled in their lines for me to come alongside the most accessible side of the pontoon. I pulled the boat forward as far as I could and tied it off out of their way while I went and got the trailer. Which is were the second issue became apparent. They had backed their car right up to the start of the pontoon partially blocking both of the narrow lanes. I only just managed to squeeze through but the guys fishing off the pontoon had zero interest in moving the car.

2. Again coming back in after a mornings fishing and there were a couple of kids swimming in the ramp who totally ignored boats trying to come in that side of the pontoon as well as trailers being backed into where they were swimming making any boat who tried to use that lane have to take the boat back out and around the other side of the pontoon. The thing that really got me was that the kids parents were watching from a distance while the kids swam in Gumboots of all things. This ramp has a lot of current which can make it difficult to come along side at times and the ignorance of the parents quite possibly could have killed their children if they had happened to get caught in the current. Surely the kids could have just swum at the beach were the playground is 100m away?
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