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Hi, I am looking at getting my first boat. I am looking for something small and easy,cheap to use.
This is be mainly used for fishing and maybe pulling ski.

I am looking at these boats and I would like some input please.
Figlass dominator or cavalier
Macboat 600 or 570
Surtees 475.

I think I would prefer aluminium as it's easier maintenance.

Any advice or recommendations would be appreciated.
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First things first welcome to the potential boating world.

You stated 4.75m boats to 6m boats. Quite a large range. Also have chucked in just about every material boats are made out of.

So my questions are:
1. Budget range. (New or used)
2. Number of people potentially onboard.
3. Tow vehicle (have you considered this?)
4. Have you had any experience on friends boats and so on, you mention tugging skiers (family man? If so age of kids etc as lots of guys on here have a lot of knowledge with saftey for young ones).
5. What part of the country do you reside in? (Or what areas are the intended use)
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I can personally recommend the FC500/535 range as a dry, stable, very easy to launch/retrieve boat and IMHO a perfect fishing boat that fits your criteria of small, easy, cheap to use and alloy. For me the FC500C/C was a go anywhere in safety boat. 
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Thanks so much for the reply.

So my questions are:
1. Budget range. (New or used)
2. Number of people potentially onboard.
3. Tow vehicle (have you considered this?)
4. Have you had any experience on friends boats and so on, you mention tugging skiers (family man? If so age of kids etc as lots of guys on here have a lot of knowledge with saftey for young ones).
5. What part of the country do you reside in? (Or what areas are the intended use)

1. Looking at new at the moment as finding that people are wanting similar prices for second hand.
2. Looking for holding around 4 adults comfortable.
3. Have a Hyundai tuscon for towing
4. Have been on a fi glass dominator and liked that. I would just prefer something less maintenance and stronger like aluminium or plastic. They just don't look as nice on the inside. For skiing it's to pull an adult or kid.
5. Looking at fishing northshore Auckland. From Brown's bay or murrays bay. Not sure how far off shore these boats will go etc.

Thanks heaps for your input so far.
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As it is a first boat, Id personally recommend a used boat in good condition. Older isnt always a bad thing (things do go wrong, used boat might not be as worried if you make a mistake, ding something etc).

Also if you buy brand new decide boats arent for you that could be a bit hit on the back pocket.

Given your tow vehicle Id be saying alloy up to 5.8-6m max should be ok (at a guess, others on here will have a better idea. 2007 2.7L v6 santa fe tows our 520Lazer with ease. Holds its 90km up hills just chews a bit more petrol in the process).

Key things with either option (with the new information you provided I will have a think before I suggest my ideas) is whatever you pick, lots of HP never hurts.. well powered smaller boat will perform much better than a slightly larger undergunned boat.

4 adults comfortably well.. that rules out our 520lazercraft. 4 / 5 is doable but not comfortable, our setup is for diving so we have heaps of space with how we positioned the two seats.. others will chime in but id be thinking youll need upwards of 5.5m?
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Is your Tucson a 4wd ? 3l or 2l version? Quite a differnce in the two models.
Wanting to fish 4 adults or cruise with 4 adults? Fishing 4 adults in any boats less than say 5.5m gets a bit crowded quickly.
Maybe a bigger surtess - a 475 maynot be big enough to fish 4 comfortably and ski behind?
Have you considered mclay 550 or 571? Powered by 90hp for skiing?
Figlass cavalier great value - 115 four stroke, all electronics , underfloor for under 50k just? But maybe less room than equivalent tinny but better for water sports?
Any reasonable quality, modern 5.5m boat should get you anywhere in good conditions - way wide , even game fishing is an option with a bit of experience. If launching bays - wide of noises, tiri easy.

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i haven’t been in a mac 600 but have been in a 570. completely different designs, the 570 is a pontoon and four adults could easily stand against one side without much lean. i have had two of the mac 420 now and they are a great low maintenance boat but limited to how far offshore you can go. the 570 would be more suitable for farther out ventures.

plastic is by far the lowest maintenance material.

i would suggest you spend some time on these boats nefore making a decsision. ask around if anyone will let you crew. do some sea trials.

but if you are like me it doesn’t matter anyway. you’ll sell it soon enough and buy some other boat!
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Thanks for the reply.

Its a 2wd and 2l.

I would think most of the time it would be 2 adults causally fishing. And sometimes 4 adults with only 2 or 3 more serious of the 4.

Looked at the 495 today and seemed a good size. Was told a new model will be out early this year which is slightly larger which maybe a better option.

Ill Google the mclay now. Thanks for the idea.

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Thanks for the input.

I'm going to look at the macs next week. Hopefully can get a good deal perhaps.

Thinking of waiting for the boat show to buy? Maybe better deals?
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My suggestion would be extreme boats. Maybe a 540/570.
My biased view would be southern / lazercraft. Hard to beat a 560/580 lazercraft, however they are rare as hens teeth to be in good condition second hand and cost a fortune new.

Be careful with some boat lengths, outboards sit on pods and can count towards the overall length. The surtees 495 is a great example. Tiny boat compared to a real 495/500.
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5.7m alloy boats at a guess fully loaded might be in the 1500kg bracket? Others may have a better idea. Could be hard on the tuscon but probably more than ok in my eyes.
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Interesting thread.... what I find interesting is the Ali is less maintenance than fibreglass, can I ask where? Still got a trailer, still got a motor, if your Ali is painted would u still not want to look after the surface?
Had anyone seen the impact tests of fibreglass vs aluminium, very interesting..
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Originally posted by JustAnotherSpearo JustAnotherSpearo wrote:

5.7m alloy boats at a guess fully loaded might be in the 1500kg bracket? Others may have a better idea. Could be hard on the tuscon but probably more than ok in my eyes.

The answers to your original questions mentioned Browns Bay and Murrays Bay - I got the impression Hagrid7 was planning on beach launching? That answer may impact on the recommendations coming through. Beach launching a 5.5-6m boat may require something more grunty or real 4WD capable?

Good point, JustAnotherSpearo, re the 'length over all' versus what is probably better described as the practical length. The Surtees 495 is one of the most obvious examples. My FC465 runabout is the FC430 hull but with a different transom - however, the forward steer gives me a lot more room for fishing than most boats in a bigger size range. And way more than the Surtees 495.

A neighbour up the road has the Extreme 570 Game King, which is a very, very nice boat. Deep V though, and they use a small tractor to beach launch. A small SUV would have trouble beach launching that boat, I think.
There's a Surtees Workmate in a similar size, and the McLays I saw at Fish City certainly looked nice. Though more boat than I was after.

I have a friend with a very nice 5.6m FiGlass and it's a nice boat, but as has been mentioned, a very different kettle of fish to a tinny.

I do want to put in a good word for Redfinger (Russell) above, who's in the boat yard at Fish City Albany. they have the McLays, FiGlass and FC Boats, as well as some trade ins. He was extremely patient and helpful for me - also a first time boat owner - and had no hesitation in sorting out a sea trial etc. As others have mentioned, that's what you need to do, along with having someone call a spade a spade when you're looking at boats.
Take someone along with you who knows a lot about boats, as well.





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Originally posted by puff puff wrote:

Interesting thread.... what I find interesting is the Ali is less maintenance than fibreglass, can I ask where? Still got a trailer, still got a motor, if your Ali is painted would u still not want to look after the surface?
Had anyone seen the impact tests of fibreglass vs aluminium, very interesting..

agreed - you can take a'glass boat back to the manufacturer every few years for a tidy up that will cost very little and bring it back to new - try doing that with a dented/scratched/stained alloy ali boat.
No disintegrations!
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Go pay Redfinger a visit at Fish City Albany. I've only heard good feedback
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As for beach launching, during Year 13 at highschool, racked up 20,000kms towing a 12ft fyran around with a honda civic due to insurance reasons. Beach launched many times and only ever needed a tug out once.

You can easily beach launch if you know what you're doing and are willing to take a little time to do the process.

There is no 'bad' boats in New Zealands market. No room for them, all have their advantages and disadvantages.

Those Mclays are a whole lot of boat for the dollar.
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Thanks heaps for all the replys.

I'm looking hopefully at mac 600 sport next week. Anyone have feedback on those?

Really appreciate all the feedback.   One thing I don't understand though is how the surtees 495 is a 5m boat but not actually as other 5m boat is bigger?

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If you are not planning on upgrading your tow vehicle i think 6m will be too large for beach launching with the Tucson
I have a 2.4l Rav 4 awd - only have a modest centre console 4.3m fc430 but has four stroke engine and a bit heavier than you would guess- wouldnt want to be launching much over 5m with my wagon. Can easily beach launch at waiake or browns bay.
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End of the boat marked and where they consider the end of the boat. Hope this helps Big smile
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Yes heaps thanks. Haha what a con.

But I would imagine that 4 people would fish more comfortably of the surtees 495 than the figlass dominator?
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