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Well the idea was United Futures policy but anyway doesn't matter who but it does matter that we get them right.Smile

In our supply agreement with National we are to make submissions and comment on the proposed reserves.

I am writing a briefing paper now for the minister and hope to have it done by end of week. I think I understand all the issues but if anyone wants to add thier pennies worth here please do as I want to make sure I appraise the Minister with what is wrong with thier suggestion and what is needed.

With regards to the Hauraki Gulf my main concern was to extend the reserve boundaries out towards Barrier... wondering if little barrier to Cape Colville would be a good boundary....  What about Northwards ????  Any other things that need addressing?

With regards to the Marlborough Sounds I see extending that out to include western Durville Is and to ban commercial scallop dredging as well. I see this as the most destructive of all the activities in the Sounds... What about port Underwood..????

Your thoughts would be most appreciated.
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Moonbeams would be Bream Head to the Moks to the Needles but more realistically I would like to see a line from Cape Rodney North of Little Barrier to the Needles.

Perhaps start at the first and negotiate to the second  Wink
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Off to the political section I say, or at least 'Fish management'. Shame really.
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And perhaps bottom line, Takatu to Little barrier to cape Colville
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Originally posted by corosanta corosanta wrote:

Off to the political section I say, or at least 'Fish management'. Shame really.
Not a shame at all. It's a good thing we do to try and keep this all in it's own forum. Right at the very top of the Briny Bay. Seems to be working ... anyway back on topic, no reply necessary.
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personal i think the further out you go the least likely it is to happen,

yes i would love it to be outside of Gt Barrier Moke's Hen & Chickens Mercury Is Aldermans Mayor White Island,

considering we are really talking peanuts for the amount of dollars they collect "32million" best if it was left for Tourism to exploit which would possible produce double that 32 million and we would end up with a fantastic fishery plus nature would revert back to where it should be...

you can only dream...

  

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I agree with ya Lethal.   Hauraki Gulf recreational reserve should be Cape Rodney to Cape Colville.  Doubtless Bay should also be a Recreational Reserve also.
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Bream bay gets absolutely raped by commercial trawlers, this area also needs looking after. Pilchard schools and snapper spawning in this area is a reason enough to look after it, it's sheltered safe area for small boats fishing for their families. If any political folks need proof or to see what the recreational and fishing tourism dollar is in this area I would love to take them out for a days fishing and show them the true potential and future tourism fishing can do for NZ.
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Snapper stocks are even worse in the Bay of Plenty. I understand MPI estimated only 6% snapper stock (of original stock), compared to about 24% Hauraki Gulf.
Basically it is hard to catch any snapper in BOP.
So, a recreational-only area is needed more in BOP.
I think an area out to the 12nm limit would be the minimum for a worthwhile recreational-only area.

National must accept that other areas are just as (or more) deserving - so I hope this is negotiated.
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Just moving the commercial catch to other areas won't relieve the stress on the fishery. The original policy announcement mentioned 'compensating quota holders'. Does this mean buying back some of their quota? That might be beneficial, providing it wasn't reallocated.

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Why would you compensate quota holders for losing something they essentially got for free in the first place and now consider to be their "right"???  Makes no sense at all to me and will only alienate rec and customary fishers further....

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but rec and customary fishers will apparently will still vote for national anyway so wtf
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Originally posted by widerange widerange wrote:

but rec and customary fishers will apparently will still vote for national anyway so wtf
That would suggest that there is more to life than fishing for the majority of voters, if conservation of anything was a priority, they would have voted Green
404. That’s an error.
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Originally posted by TOSF TOSF wrote:

Bream bay gets absolutely raped by commercial trawlers, this area also needs looking after. Pilchard schools and snapper spawning in this area is a reason enough to look after it, it's sheltered safe area for small boats fishing for their families. If any political folks need proof or to see what the recreational and fishing tourism dollar is in this area I would love to take them out for a days fishing and show them the true potential and future tourism fishing can do for NZ.
I agree with TOSF, Bream Bay needs protecting - Cape Colville to Bream Head including the islands would be great. I appreciate other areas are worse off than HGMP, but they can be addressed as separate marine reserves, which they are and deserve to be addressed in their own right.
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I don't think a Rec only marine park is the answer to the issues and would much prefer the government invest the $ 20 million of potential compensation into funding the change to more sustainable fishing methods.
 By creating a rec only marine park of any size would just further divide recs and comms, when in fact we all need to work to the same goal.
 I would much prefer to see UF put its energy into changing the laws under which the comms work. 
For example no trawling in the 3 main channels ( Colville, Craddock and Jellicoe ) into the HG from Sep to Nov. It doesn't make sense to catch snapper in huge numbers when they are coming in to breed, at least if you allow the channels to be trawled in the autumn when the snapper are leaving the fish have had a chance to breed.
 In short i think the whole industry needs overhauling, to be made sustainable long term and there would be no need for marine parks and segregation as there would be more fish in the sea for all.
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How about not just point to point or island to island and just put it to a distance(say 5 Miles from all points and any island), and include the larger bodies off water where that distance does not cover the entire area

With a mandatory gps tracking on all commercial boats to show where they have been.
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Port Jackson to ( Cape Rodney to Beam Head 5 klm from land ) this could well extended north and South to have fairness to other areas..or just exculsion zone of 100 mtres coastal NZ with limited coms fishing within but only to those with "approved nets " ( square mesh with escape panels )
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Originally posted by widerange widerange wrote:

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If we had of all voted greens and labour you would be buying your fishing licence this week by next week Greens would of shut it all up in reserves ..
What we need is united people power on pavement's ... >>> this will happen in the end ..Have to wait until it gets down to 3 fish then everyone will wake up to that idea
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Was that really the greens policy for the fishery MM?
I didn't see that bit in legasea's ratings of party's fishery policy
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•Pass Marine Reserves Bill and create a network of protection areas.expand marine reserves >>> Greens Policy
•Those using the sea commercially should not degrade it, and should pay to use it ( that could be made to include recs )

Fishing Licence >>> Labours

Rather than read what Legasea wrote and / or interpreted from it ,read their policys..that looks black and white to me what is meant .

Nothing against reserve's but Greens like to shut everything up ..Their policy on all the windblown timber was to leave it to rot where it fell , least they saved a few snails

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