Dragging paddle tails

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    Posted: 22 Apr 2025 at 4:38pm
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Out fishing on the firth today in my little 12 foot tinny. Normally have to rods out the back with 5/8 jigheads on with curly tails on.

Having a look in my softbait collection I came across a pack of Baitjunkie 4in paddle tails in the camo colour I must have brought one day and forgotten about.

I thought bugger it why not just taking up room so chucked one on one of the rods and chucked a motor oil curly tail on the other rod and cast them both out the back.

Couple of minutes later bang fish on the camo paddle tail. 350mm long snapper and in the bin, not bad a thought. Cast the camo out the back again and 5 minutes later bang fish on again. 400mm this time, awesome I thought.

In the next 20 minutes had 7 in the bin 350mm to 450mm, interesting thing only caught one on the motor oil. So I don’t know if it was the paddle tail action or the camo colour, which is a very nice colour.

Anyway all good nice feed with a couple of cold beers.
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I've had days when dragged SB's outfished actively worked SB's about 6 or 7 to 1,  days when the fish are lethargic and dont feel like chasing an active lure, but a slowly moving one they will happily chomp.
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Yep I always drag softbaits in the firth, but normally curly tails and have caught some nice fish over the years. But this time it was the paddle tails that were killing it.
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No gurnard using that technique?
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Yep no gurnard, 2 hook dropper rig and mullet still the best for the grunters
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Originally posted by Kandrew Kandrew wrote:

Yep no gurnard, 2 hook dropper rig and mullet still the best for the grunters

Thanks Kandrew. Off the west coast (Manukau) I often cast out an inchiku or slider - sometimes with the tiniest bit of squid tentacle attached while bait fishing from an anchored boat for snapper and that gets a good gurnard bycatch while the actively fished rods get snapper. When I figure out why that is I'll let you know. Slow action softies are a good option for gurnard for me

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My biggest snapper on the drag was on a paddle tail.  Had them on dragged jerk shads as well.  Colour: depends. Couple of days ago dragged baits outfished worked ones, smelt (normal go-to colour) poor, motor oil good.  I reckon if things are not working just try something else.

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Thanks guys, not really a softbait I thought about using, I’ve got a couple of packs of Zman so I’ll give them a go next time I’m out.
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Hi Kerry. Have tried zman but found very buoyant and the gulp I use found out fishes zmaneven though same colour.
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I did a lot of dragging when I lived in Auckland, mainly with ZMan curly tails. It was pretty effective. An interesting rig which I haven't got around to trying would be a buoyant ZMan on a regular light gauge hook (not a jighead) paired with a Carolina rig. 
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Originally posted by Pcj Pcj wrote:

Hi Kerry. Have tried zman but found very buoyant and the gulp I use found out fishes zmaneven though same colour.

Hi Paul I prefer more buoyant soft baits for dragging behind the boat, they sit upright and look like a fish digging head first into the mud.

When dragging baits you need a soft bait that’s a lot more stronger so the tail doesn’t get bitten off all the time. I use to gulp 10 years ago but I found one pack wound sometimes only last one trip, where I can get months out of a pack of Zman.
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Thanks MB yep there’s a lot of interesting ways to rig softies, I see some guys even gang them up one after the other.

There’s a vid on YouTube rigging micro jigs up like this one after the other in deeper water. I must give it a try.
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A softbait above a slow jig is another, either rigged dropshot-style or on a dropper. Curly tails are ideal for this purpose.  I've used it before and it's caught me fish. 
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Very interesting chat, guys.
I've previously mentioned my success when dragging - particularly with paddle tails (right up to the 6.5" Z Man Doormatadorz in the Far North, but normally on the 4" or 5" for pannies over sand.

I love it when I'm casting forwards and suddenly the rod behind me goes off with a real string puller. As Kerry said, the stretch tail resists the smaller fish pulling until a bigger model comes over. When that happens with a 20lb plus fish up in Northland, the adrenaline goes off the charts.
 
I reckon the buoyancy creating the head down position, and the waggly curly tail, is very effective. However, I've also used Z Man Paddlerz occasionally - normally in Bruised Banana or New Penny and done okay.

There's a noticeable difference in the paddle tail design in the Z Man Paddlerz (which are quite slim and wiggly) and the Daiwa Bait Junkies - the latter are much bigger and more circular. More like the Z Man Diezel Minnowz style.
Obviously those are more intended for a slow roll retrieve in more tropical lands - for example, the Aussies in estuary systems for mangrove jack and flathead, or in the US for speckled trout, bass, and redfish. 

When I first started softbaiting, I used a 4" Paddlerz in Bruise Banana religiously on cast and retrieve. I used a 'burn and kill' retrieve, which is about 3 fast winds, then a lengthy pause. Rather than lots of jerky movements with the rod. Worked very well and meant the line was relatively tight for reliable hookups.

The Bait Junkie jerk shads have amazing side to side movement, due to the cut half way down, and their paddle tails have that too. So maybe that gives them a bit more movement than Z Man's Diezel Minnowz.

Either way, it's great to experiment with colours and styles. As Kerry found, there's often a preferred colour on a particular day, for a reason only known to the fish. Camo doesn't appeal to me as a colour, but it's the fish that counts!!

MB, I have tried the Carolina rig - which is mentioned in John Eichelsheim's book on soft baiting which came out about 10 years ago. I looked it up on YouTube and used it quite a bit dragging in the Tamaki Strait. I used a Trokaw hook that kayak expert Stephen Tapp recommended for softbaiting. It has a sharp keeper style piece sticking out near the eye. It certainly would have created an amazing dip and wiggle style effect on the drag. However, I went away from it in the end because I got a lot of solid pulls that didn't hook up in the rod holder. Maybe it'd be better with rod in hand, but still dragging?
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Thanks Lester, I’ve always dragged curly tails and do well with them. I’ve still got a few packs so I’ll keep using them for now. But I will keep playing around with paddle tails as well.

The 3 wind and wait retrieve sounds worth while as well.
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