Crossing the Manukau Bar?

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    Posted: 24 Jun 2008 at 1:35pm
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OK, I heard there’s the odd fish out west, so I wanna have a nosey. First thing tho, gotta negotiate the bar. Just wondering if anyone has some good advice for how to approach the bar. Only been over once, many years ago. At that time we came out through the heads more on the southern side & hung a left heading WSW diagonally down the coast for a bit till we got into deeper water. Where’s the big danger zones & what’s the best tide conditions etc? anyone have any marks they use? Cheers for any info.

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Questions.

What size is your boat?
Do you have a chart plotter?
Can you do at least 30k when fully loaded?
You could ring the coastgard and find out if they will take you through the bar for the first time(this my cost you a small amount, but if you a member i am sure it will be free if they are out there) but the best thing to do if this will be the first time in a long time is to go out there when there is no more then 1m of swell, make sure that it is bang on high or low so the tidal flow is O and have a bit of a play. I can give you some marks to help you out if you need.
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Hey Dean,

7.2M alloy
no chartplotter, just handheld GPS(on bracket at helm)
Can do 30k loaded
thanks for the tip on coastguard.
appreciate the advice about zero current.
love to know which general direction to be heading.
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Anywhere between 30/50 mtrs just look for the sign on the fish finder. As dohboy said just give the coast guard a call or check the forum for someone alse going over and follow them Good luck 
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_popupControl(); When you get to the mouth itself, look to your right, and you will see two white markers. One above the other against the northern cliffs. You should line up the two markings so that they are one above the other, and keep them like that on the way out. That will keep you along your track on the southern channel. As previously said, make sure that you do it at the turn of the tide, and time your return also at the turn of the tide, otherwise it can get very nasty.

If you have a chartplotter, the southern channel should also be marked on the chart. The northern channel can be easier and shorter ONLY if there is no or little swell. If you can see breakers out at the end of either of the channells forget it and try chasing snapper/gurnard within the harbour. Those breakers can be very close together, and they will sort you out very quickly if you don't know exactly what you are doing.

As mentioned above if you are not sure either try Coastguard, or get somebody to go with you who you know runs the bar on a regular basis.
 
Good luck on that big puka you are chasing!
 
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No offence intended at all.... but aren't you underestimating the dangers here?

Is it worth the risk to be tackling it on the basis of some distant memories and a few tips no matter how well intended from a website?

Just a thought....
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Floater,

It does pay to do a trip out with someone who knows the channels, like Tinky said the markers on the northernside are a great mark to use the South Channel with, when i go over I always check swell maps, met service and the surf sites for info of conditions in and out side the heads.Or  ask Coastguard what the conditions are like before leaving.

Where would you launch from???.
Yep there are some good fish out there at the moment, but the swell out there today is over 4 mtr and with the S.W. it will be a few days before that settles down.
there are a few forum members who do venture out[when the conditions suit] ask and you might get a trip out before taking your own boat.  Always can the Coastguard with a Bar Crossing report!!!
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Originally posted by Dagwood Dagwood wrote:

No offence intended at all.... but aren't you underestimating the dangers here?

Is it worth the risk to be tackling it on the basis of some distant memories and a few tips no matter how well intended from a website?

Just a thought....


Not trying to give you $hit, but the first time i went through the bar was in a 14.6 ft boat i had no idea what i was doing but it was that carm all was good. I only ever go out when it a UNDER 2m swell and if it is that big i go at the top or bottom of the tide.

In these conditions it is not the bar you have to worry about but the washing machine before you get to the channel that will give you the most $hit.

In a 7.2m boat you should be ok as long as you take your time or follow someone who knows what they are doing.
As i have stated Floater ring the coastguard they will help you out.
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No offence taken dagwood, i appreciate Your concern & i have no intention of doing anything stupid. I have a healthy respect for the ocean. I just wanted to tap into the huge wealth of experience on this site. As always I respect everyone's views, and any help is much appreciated so keep the tips & advice coming.
 
Hey DeltaDreams,
Probably Matakawau would be my launching spot, maybe an hour before hightide so i have plenty time to get to the heads & check it out for slack tide.
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Ive just been down the beach...the QE2 would have a rough ride over the bar today...

the bar deserves respect...a charty plotter is always nice to cross bars with...

Cheers Wefaknis 

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Originally posted by Dohboy Dohboy wrote:

...the first time i went through the bar was in a 14.6 ft boat i had no idea what i was doing but it was that carm all was good.
 
same, it was a 14.6 fyran we launched from matakawau, me, my mate & his dog. we crossed the bar via the southern channel with no dramas and went out to the 'blue water mark'.
 
having said that I have been in the water on the west coast(Taranaki) when the swell went from waist high(1-2 foot to 6-8foot plus(6 metres) within 3 hours.
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Today was a good day to practice crossings..........i was on my way out when i realised i'd forgot my soft plastics.............
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and a clean set of undies for that crossing Ouch
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that pic woulda excited me when i was a surfer. that'll clean right up soon as the noreaster hits it.

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You want some GPS marks of south channel?.
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mate, i sure would, i'd stick em straight in the gps.
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Floater - what northeaster - what banks - where has piha bar gone... Cry   sand dune and carpark reclaimation
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Originally posted by floater floater wrote:

mate, i sure would, i'd stick em straight in the gps.
cheers
Floater Please be aware that any gps co-ords are a guide only and you still have to pick your way around whats happening that day.
 
Having said that, a safe starting point and a safe clear point are of great value on your GPS and allow you to position yourself properly to see what the bar is doing that day.
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first up when your heading out post on here looking for an experienced SKIPPER to accompany you out, best if they go on your boat so can talk you through the area in real time, rather than just following a boat. or talk to one of your local fishing clubs
 
As dohboy suggests,
stick to a metre or less swell to start with, slack tides best time to cross. high being best because there is more water covering the banks.
mid outgoing tide is last choice as the outgoing tide combined with a westerly swell can really cause the the waves to stand up.
as you build up your knowledge and experience you can expand your parameters.
 
swell forecasting is fairly accurate and you shouldnt get caught out with a building swell these days(not saying it wont happen but do your research and you lessen the chance)
 
these sites are all good for forecasts, buoyweather only runs out a few days if not paid up, swell map you have to be paid up but is very good and windguru is free.
 
good luck, spiny dogfish are a pain in the arse at this time of year though
 
 
 
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