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    Posted: 16 Jul 2012 at 10:15am
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Hi Guys,
 
I sold my5.8M  fishing vessel and am looking at something over 7 meters now - second hand with low hours on engine.
 
I was wanting some opinions on anyone that owns these models and how good they are or arent.
 
These are the models I have on my shortlist:
 
HAINES HUNTER SS 700
BUCCANEER 735 EXESS
Smuggler Stealth 720
RAYGLASS LEGEND 730
Challenger 720 Offshore
 
All nice boats so would be good to hear from people that own or owned them.
 
Also whether it is better to go inboard or outboard?
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Regardless of the hull, on that size boat an outboard is going to be your best option.
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all nice boats al. If you are after a low hour late model boat then I think you should just check and what is available, ie once you start to narrow down things then something often jumps out at you.
Agree with Tagit re outboard being the best option and don't get too hung up on 'hours' - outboard motors usually  'age out' before they 'wear out' so I'd go for the newest engine not the lowest hours.
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If you still want to achieve good economy like you have been used to with your optimax go four stroke or direct injection motor especially as the boats you are looking at will need big horsepower.
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Too right. I like the smart craft guages makes it easy to talley up a day trip with mates at the end of the day. Definately going 4 stroke, I also like the verados I have heard good things about them. So far leaning towards a buccaneer 685 or 735 excess , I note most have 225 or 250 yamahas, are they all good? Grown up with mercs and last 4 boats I've had have had them so far.
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just about at 4000hrs on my yammy 225
outboard a great option for a 7-8m boat
 
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Originally posted by alanimal alanimal wrote:

Too right. I like the smart craft guages makes it easy to talley up a day trip with mates at the end of the day. Definately going 4 stroke, I also like the verados I have heard good things about them. So far leaning towards a buccaneer 685 or 735 excess , I note most have 225 or 250 yamahas, are they all good? Grown up with mercs and last 4 boats I've had have had them so far.

Depends a bit on the age for the Yamaha's. Up to ~2007 (at best guess) the F225 especially, and the F250 less so, have been known to have issues with major exhaust corrosion and oil seals eating into shafts. Both powerhead off fixes and potentially pretty expensive, especially the corrosion fix. I understand that in the US, Yamaha have finally slashed the cost of the parts for the fix, but don't know if our local guys have followed suit. Lots of different stories out there about this, but there seems like there might be a pattern of these issues mostly starting to occur around 600hrs or so. You can check the oil seal quite easily by dropping the lower unit and checking for engine oil on the top of the driveshaft. At least you will then know if it has started already. The corrosion issue needs someone who knows what they are looking for armed with a snake camera to be sure, but can also be seen with the lower unit off if you recognise the signs and it is already bad enough. For some reason only a % of these engines seem to have been affected so far, so you could be lucky, or not. According to US govt testing that you can access on line, the F225 only actually makes 208hp. Possibly the weakest 225 on the market, so be aware if you find it on a heavy hull. (Sorry Tobes, I know you have had a reasonable run with yours). Of the two I would be more comfortable with the F250 which doesn't seem to have been so badly affected for some reason.
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The Buccaneer 735 Billfisher is rated as a better boat than the Excess. Evidently the fuel tank is better located which evidently improves the ride. 
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Thanks for the info guys, I have opted for a Buccaneer 735 Sportsman with a Yamaha F225, seems like a sweet setup for both fishing and family weekends away. 
Tagit - this is a 2012 engine - do you know if these are only pumping out 208HP as you mentioned?
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Is that the new 4.2l version? If so it is an entirely different engine and I haven't seen any info on them yet other than what Yamaha publish for their own benefit.
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yea thats the one. 4.2L v6
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Nice, you'll be a happy chappy ay?!

Now for the wind to 'just say no' for a while
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yeah I reckon. bein delivered Wednesday, weather looks good for a fish
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Once you have it sorted, let us know how the fuel burn looks at 4000rpm if you could. From figures I have seen from other owners, Honda and Suzuki seem to have both made impressive advances in fuel burn in a couple of their new models. Will be interesting to see if the new Yam is the same. 
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reports I'm getting are that the new 4.2L yamaha isn't super economical. But I think this wouldn't be significant if it proves to be a reliable engine in the long term
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Fuel burn might be a significant issue if the figures I have seen on the new 250hp Honda are correct. Figures are from a new owner, not Honda, so no spin on them, and I saw the photos of the gauges showing speed, rpm's, fuel burn etc. Only question might be whether the engine was underloaded. Anyway, if that new 4.2 burns fuel like it's predecessor F225, it will burn somewhere around 33lph at 4000rpm when 'correctly loaded'. The new Honda 250 numbers I saw indicated just over 26lph at 4000rpm. So, in simple terms, more than 10% extra hp available and well over 20% less fuel. I did some calcs for a guy on this forum the other day with a new 'Lean Burn' Suzuki and it came out about the same (smaller engine but same % improvement in fuel burn). If the new 4.2l engine hasn't hit the same sort of savings then Yamaha may have missed the boat a bit compared to their competitors. I haven't seen any real life numbers for one of those 4.2l engines yet, but I see that Yamaha was advertising better fuel burn than their competitors, but only in the 300hp comparison on the stuff I saw. Couldn't find any mention of comparisons at the 225hp and 250hp level so maybe there is a reason for that?
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got a 300 on the way - am guessing around 40lph - we will see...
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BH - I would be hoping for better than that based on some of the figures around for latest gen engines. Anything over 35lph at 4000rpm would upset me based on what seems to be happening with engine developments. Let's hope you get a pleasant surprise.
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Those figures from a Fyran Tagit? my old 225 was burning just under 30lph at that rpm.


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From a 21.5ft glass boat. I suspect that it might have been a little under propped, so would like to see more numbers to get a real feel for what the numbers are. Still look much better than the previous gen 4 strokes. 
There seems to have been some good advances in efficiency in the very latest 4 strokes. Not sure why, but the figures I am seeing are certainly suggesting that it is happening in some engines at least. 
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