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Where is the best place that I can buy some outboard 2 stroke oil from. Would prefer to buy in bulk like a box of 10liters + or so.
Does not have to be an expensive brand.
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Sierra reduced smoke, ashless two stroke oil is the go. Whatever you do dont buy cheap two stroke oil, I have just had yet another engine fail with collapsed bearings using cheap oil.
depends where in the country you are to where to purchase
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Originally posted by Kings Marine Kings Marine wrote:

Sierra reduced smoke, ashless two stroke oil is the go. Whatever you do dont buy cheap two stroke oil, I have just had yet another engine fail with collapsed bearings using cheap oil.

 
I'd be interested to know what you define Cheap oil as? None of it is cheap at the moment.
 
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KM you are right, Sierra is the way to go, bloody good product I believe.
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Well $92 per 1gal is expensive and $38 per 1gal is cheap
somewhere in the middle would be a good idea, I sell Sierra oil for $49.99 1gal
OEM oil is generally from $55 - $92 1gal retail, depending on what oil you need (e.g. ETec need the $92 oil, HPDI need the $79 oil)
A conventional two stroke would use oil in the $40 - $60 1gal bracket
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Slightly off subject
The auto industry is rife with engine failures due to oil quality. Caused IMO by the removal/reduction of ZDDP (Zinc, which is an excellent anti-wear agent) in the oil, because zinc damages the newer style of catalytic converters (which are used in the exhaust system to meet emissions standards) it has been fazed out of mainstream oils, this in turn has lead to premature engine failures that have not been experienced before. The oil industry have started adding alternatives to the oils to try and remedy the situation, but it just goes to show that oil isnt just oil.
Always research the product you are going to use
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I am in East Auckland thanks
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redhotmarine in wellywood sell's  Sierra oil  pick up only dam it!
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I sell Sierra and can ship to anywhere in NZ, I'm sure KM does the same
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YAMLUBE, although it is quite pricey but is very very good!
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a good 2 stroke oil be synthetic 2 stroke oil it prevents carbon build up in the ring grooves eliminating stuck rings & compression loss 
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I was under the impression anything meeting TC-W3 standards was all good.. Confused
I'm using Pennzoil premium plus TC-w3 , do you think I'll be ok..?
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without going into all of the tech issues of the two stroke oil. TCW 3 standard is the required spec for oil injected two stroke engines, some manufactures have a higher standard for their oil but there is no higher spec for two stroke oil, so it is still labeled as TCW 3, but in some cases it will perform better in a two stroke engine than others. Like car oil you can buy 20W-50 at Repco and you can buy 20W-50 from say Castrol - both oils are the same rating and both oils will go in your car, but both oils are not the same !!!!!!
What is even more confusing is that some synthetic two stroke oils do not meet the standard for TCW 3 oil
for example  Optimax DFI oil is not recommended in a normal oil injected two stroke engine
I notice BRP XD100 is also not labelled as being TCW 3


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if you read of what other have to say from over seas it a known fact that 100% synthetic oil is used & recommended , the fact that it gives of less smoke witch is a cause of carbon build in the motor , & does not foul the plugs , is an advantage , witch means it burns clean , tw3 they say is good but most prefer synthetic 100% grade 
here you will find every thing about tw3 oil
http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=481289&highlight=zinc+stroke+oil
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Sorry Durban
clearly printed on Optimax DFI synthetic oil bottle
" it is not intended for use in any engines specifying a TC-W3 oil"

In fact when you use a Mercury Optimax high performance engine you must use the standard TCW3 oil and not the correct synthetic Optimax oil because of lubrication issues. Yes I agree synthetic oils tend to burn cleaner than a mineral oil, but not at the expense of lubrication.
I personally have seen engines destroyed using synthetic oil, and when your talking a 30k engine it can be an expensive mistake.


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I have been using valvoline but have found in my new engine that it is smoky, and seems sooty at the prop hub,  so will be swapping back to yamalube which is dearer but seems to burn cleaner.
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kingsmarine can you use yamalube on mercury 2 strokes?
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Yea you can, but why when it is more expensive than even genuine Mercury oil ???
I prefer Sierra oil as it is a semi synthetic (best of both worlds) and has a reduced smoke formula, also a very good price
pm me for a customers video of Valvoline vs Sierra oil - excessive smoke in a Yamaha 90HP

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i'm going to give this a try soon in my 2006 50hp merc elpto. less smoke would be great when drift fishing.
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Only time the engine smoke's is on start up, then nothing at all, all day unless i stop then start again.
Sierra oil is it built for late 90's 2 strokes? 
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