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Hello forumites.
Am after some advice/recommendations regarding a new sounder/plotter and transducer combo.

It's to go on a 4.8m tinny (60 horse 2 stroke if that makes a difference) to replace an old tetris style setup.

Will primarily be for inshore sub 40/50metres, occasional foray out to perhaps 100 odd metres, the majority being in around 10-20m.

Have a budget of up to 1000, ideally to include sounder, plotter, map card and transducer. What is there/what is the best choice in this price range?

There is a Lowrance sounder/plotter Hook-7 CHIRP with navionics card and transducer combo for 879 on marine deals, does anyone have experience with this unit, is it pretty good? Is that a good deal?

Thanks for any help
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I'm a big fan of the Garmin echomap series esp over the hook
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I have one of the predecesors to the Hook.  An elite 7 inch HDI.  On the whole I am impressed with the unit but it can be a little slow to redraw charts when moving at speed.  The downscan & downscan overlays are great as well as the standard 2 D sounder.
 
I had 2 seperate transducers on my boat - the 50/200 khz for deep stuff and I found it worked good down to 400 metres and in calm seas have had a good bottom picture down to 400 metres at 20 knots, which in my book is pretty good for a unit that cost about $1000.00 a couple of years ago and which can be picked up for less than $900.00 new today.
 
I also have the 83/200 & 455/800 transducer which I primarily used on the lake and found very good for marking trout the therocline and smelt.  The downscan also give very good picture of what is downstairs.
 
I swap the head unit between my kayak and boat and it works well on both.
 
Another advantage of this unit is the  C Maps Genesis which now has very good contour 1 foot maps for most of the Rotorua lakes as well as other areas http://www.genesismaps.com/ these can be uploaded into you chart card for free once you subscribe to the outfit and register your units serial number.
 
Up until a couple of years ago there were no contour charts for the lakes.
 
 
 
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Ive got a Lowrance Elite 5 HDI - was the previous Lowrance model to the current called Hook. Im not impressed, rarely shows actual fish sign.
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Got the lowrance 7 Elite HDI whatever it is, and the lowrance 5 hook on the 12fter. main thing is setup but we don't have issues with the 3m-30m range all we do.

One flaw is the where the SD card goes in.. had some fairly bad issues with not being water tight on the lowrance 5. it gets hit with a bit of spray and fried a map.

Apart from that, good bang for buck. 
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Originally posted by letsgetem letsgetem wrote:

Ive got a Lowrance Elite 5 HDI - was the previous Lowrance model to the current called Hook. Im not impressed, rarely shows actual fish sign.
 
Interesting comment.  I have my lowrance (which I initially got for chartplotter on boat and plotter/sounder for the kayak) operating next to my furuno sounder.
 
Generally if I see fish on the furuno I see them on the lowrance.  The lowrance does give more fish detail though i.e. where the furuno will show a large mark that may represent 2-3 fish the lowrance seems to show the 2-3 fish more individually.
 
Another feature of the lowrance is the ability to scroll back in history on the sounder and put a mark on fish sign that you went over a minute or two earlier which in turn comes up as a waypoint on the chartplotter.
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The first question I would be asking is what sort of transducer do you want for the type of fishing you do?

First and foremost you need signal penetration through the water column.  For up to 100m depth I would personally be looking at a minimum 600W transducer and a range of fish-finders that can power it. 

Then consider things like CHIRP and side/down imaging.
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When Im catching snapper, I sometimes look at the sonar (lowrance Elite 5 hdi), and I have not ever seen any sign that looks like snapper. Whereas, often I see on sonar a blurry ball of sign that I assume is smaller fish like mackerel. Why is it that it shows a ball of fish but not individual bigger fish.
I have seen examples of other Lowrance sonar displays that show snapper as arches. But in two years, about 40 trips, I have yet to see a fish arch on mine.
I could be wrong in saying the Lowrance is poor. Perhaps I have it adjusted wrongly?
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My elite 5 if on a  drift or at anchor doesnt show squat when comes to fish.. bottom good , or lines droping up and down fine.. or fish swim and any bait balls etc .. moving. But just moving and above shows fish etc real well.. depending on size of snaps  dots blobs get above about 40/ 45cm then show as arches.

I think has something to do with the size/ model???
 messed with settings speed, background colours.. etc. Its uses as dedicated scanner.. have separate gps units... with split screen.. normal , 2x and the down scanner.

There is a Lowrance sounder/plotter Hook-7 CHIRP with navionics card and transducer combo for 879 on marine deals, does anyone have experience with this unit, is it pretty good? Is that a good deal?

Deal?.. around this time of yr current models get big discount before the new model hit the shelves...
 Been out in a boat with one.. was very impressed.
 Go a unit with navionics ... with the 0.5m detail.. platinum has it not sure if gold does now.. check that out.
 C maps.. dont even bother to go there...
 Navionics you can update map detail.. and this is just for Hauraki gulf damn near every week.. sometime within days a 2 or 3 meg update.
 Garmin used to be 0nce a yr  or something...dont know what it is now..

Would I upgrade to the $879 'deal'  7"yep if had the money spare
 A 5" is too small screen for dedicated gps and sounder... really need sounder split screen most of the time... and be able to watch sounder split screen and detailed gps at the same time..

 As to getting down below 50/ 60m  to 100m  with it.. again I dont know or how well...there are some very good older posts on the subject.

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There's also new echomap stuff announced this morning which means the "old" stuff will be going cheap
0800 BAY MARINE www.baymarineelectronics.co.nz
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+1 for 7" if you want to use split screen. 

I've had 7" and 5" Lowrance fish finders and found the 5" too small in split screen.
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So Steps also reckons Elite-5 doesn't show individual fish when stationary - but does when moving. Why's that?
I agree 5" is too small for both sonar and gps. I have a Elite-5 as well as a separate Garmin Montana gps. I certainly recommend Garmin for gps, find it excellent (particularly touch screen that's fabulous).
 
I am thinking of possibly getting a combined garmin 7" touch-screen, but they are too expensive for me as yet (about $1900 with chart).
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I'm a huge fan of the Garmin range with superb fish finding capability.
 
Checkout the face book "Garmin Sonar & Fishing Fanatics" for some really good screen shots and information.
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Thanks for all the replies chaps. Quite a bit of goggling to do here. Sounds like a few idiosyncrasies with any brand and unit. 7" recommendation sounds very good. Where would one look for "old" ecjomap great at cheaper prices Bay Marine? Feel free to PM me. Budget is reasonably set here, so while a 1700 unit would be awesome, can't really justify it. Good thing it doesn't sound unrealistic of what I'm after given the set budget.
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If I was buying, I would be going to a 7" lowrance, as up to date was possible, navionics, within in my budget... and a 1K budget the current discounted  this yrs models.
 Garmin , Im a great fan of.. when comes to hunting, vehicle gps/ map units.
 For transferring data, trips, making / updating POI  eg  manually creating the current new fixed speed cameras.. I even have the garmin blue marine maps on the garmin Basecamp  PC program.
 But  boat.. I go lowrance... which Im lead to believe is basically a re packaged upper market Simrad  (???)
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Originally posted by letsgetem letsgetem wrote:

So Steps also reckons Elite-5 doesn't show individual fish when stationary - but does when moving. Why's that?


Transducers are fussy things ... could be something as simple as boat angle (pitch) at rest vs on the move. 

Or the fishfinder could be changing to less sensitive settings when at rest (if set to auto).   A fishfinder set to auto will drop power significantly when the return signal is strong.




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Or the fishfinder could be changing to less sensitive settings when at rest (if set to auto).   A fishfinder set to auto will drop power significantly when the return signal is strong.

If correct, a very good possibility....from memory I think I have depth set to auto ??
 I still see a rock on flat ground thu.
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Grovo, I recently went through the same question for a 4.65m open tinny, and ended up with a Garmin 7" for $1200 at Burnsco ($100 less than Bay Marine Electronics' price, and at my local shop. I went the extra cash for side view. See Bay Marine's  excellent review on YouTube.
Murphy's Law I apparently could have saved some money as a new model is coming out, but I needed to get mine fitted professionally and preferred to do that while the boat was in the yard, rather than have to take it back.

In the shops, I found the Garmin easier to use in terms of navigating through the menu and selections. And some reviews I saw online weren't complimentary about the Lowrances v Garmin. 
Admittedly, I'm no tech expert and fairly simple in my needs, so others may find the Lowrance easy or better for them in terms of tracking GPS marks, linking to their phones etc.

I visited a few different shops and the lack of waterproof-ness of the Lowrance card location was commented on at Burnsco (for an open boat). Noted in another post above.
The Raymarines Dragonflys were taller than I wanted (poked above my boat's front screen, so would cop any spray directly), so I crossed them off the list.

Others here have mentioned the size of screen for split screen (5" being too small to do it justice) but I actually measured the displays and found that in most cases, there's almost no difference in the width of the actual split displays (particularly on the brands which are horizontal in shape, rather than vertical) between 5 and 7 - if there is, it's minimal. In the 7", they just have bigger lettering/numbers, or more information, in the space alongside the split screen images.

If you do beach launching a lot, it's also worth considering the length of the transducers. The Lowrances Elite are much longer than the Lowrance Hook transducers; the Garmin - even with side view - are about half way between the two Lowrances in transducer length.

The other thing in a small boat is whether you want the screen to be able to swivel. Most 7" screens are on fixed frames, except from recollection the Lowrance Elite and the Raymarine (single swivel unit). I decided to go with fixed, but it may impact your thinking?

Hope that helps.


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Originally posted by Steps Steps wrote:

Or the fishfinder could be changing to less sensitive settings when at rest (if set to auto).   A fishfinder set to auto will drop power significantly when the return signal is strong.

If correct, a very good possibility....from memory I think I have depth set to auto ??
 I still see a rock on flat ground thu.


A rock is very strong return signal - large and reflects sound well.

In a fish the return signal is generated by the swim bladder -  small and somewhat insulated from sound inside the fish. 

If the transducer is outputting at a reduced intensity a fish is less likely to show up than a rock.
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Originally posted by MikeAqua MikeAqua wrote:

[QUOTE=Steps] Or the fishfinder could be changing to less sensitive settings when at rest (if set to auto).   A fishfinder set to auto will drop power significantly when the return signal is strong.

If correct, a very good possibility....from memory I think I have depth set to auto ??
 I still see a rock on flat ground thu.


Auto-sensitivity (or other auto settings) would be the likely culprits.  Auto-depth should just alter the depth display scale.

A rock generates a strong return signal - it's large and reflects sound well.

In a fish the return signal is generated by the swim bladder -  small and somewhat insulated from sound inside the fish. 

If the transducer is outputting at a reduced intensity a fish is less likely to show up than a rock
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