Surtees 5.8 Gamefisher vs Extreme Game King 5.7
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Topic: Surtees 5.8 Gamefisher vs Extreme Game King 5.7
Posted By: chris1070
Subject: Surtees 5.8 Gamefisher vs Extreme Game King 5.7
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 2:52pm
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Have started looking at boats with she who must be obeyed. We are based on the Aucklands North Shore and are looking for a boat primary for the two of us - but sometimes fishing up to 4 people. We fish - not really into cruising. We want a boat that is capable of taking us as far as great barrier (and home again safely). When there are just the two of us we will occasionally over night onboard, but are not needing much in the way of creature comforts - just the ability for a couple to get their heads down for a few hours. No looking for a glass boat. The two that we have looked at currently are the Surtees Game fisher and the extreme game king. First looks is that the Extreme is very, very, very solid and well put together. But then I know people just love their Surtees (and for good reason). Does anyone here with more experience than myself have ideas about the advantages of one over the other? Any known issues? Thanks all for your help. Chris
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Posted By: Double Shot
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 3:12pm
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Me personally would be looking a little bigger... I've had a 6m HT and have taken it regularly 40miles offshore, but now have a 6.5m HT and feel far more comfortable in doing that, particularly if the weather blows up. The smaller boat won't give much cabin room if overnighting, and your cockpit space will be limited if you're having 4 POB. How ever that said, I guess numerous factors like budget, vehicle towing capacity and what not have to be considered... Surtees are a well built boat, had a 6.1mt HT Barcrusher, nice boat, the Extreme I looked closely to the 650 Gameking but didn't buy it as the budget didn't quite stretch that far...lol, nicely built boat though... Plenty around to choose from, how about the McLay 6m HT? Good luck in your quest...  ------------- 70ml of 90deg C water pressurised through 13g of roasted finely ground tamped coffee for 25sec's to make a distinguishing sensory hit called a Double Shot |
Posted By: Bounty Hunter
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 4:06pm
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speaking with extreme at the recent boatshow, they said they wouldnt let any boats leave their factory without either nyalic or paint on them. pretty much discounts them straight away for me as i want neither. i still cannot understand why extreme also continue with sidepockets in the cockpit which cannot accommodate a 7ft rod or large speargun? the cabins on both boats you mention are marginal if you are of normal height and want to stretch out whilst lying down - it may be a matter of taking fold out cots and sleeping under the dropback in the cockpit. without a full bulkhead separating the cabin, you may be able to get surtees to extend the bunkbases? have you priced them? is there much difference? lots of extreme packages with etecs on them  resale on both likely to be strong. bit of a coin toss without first hand experience. as for how they go, couldnt say as i havent been on either. a seatrial might decide it for you. which ever way you go, make sure you get 'tabs and go for maximum horsepower. ------------- No disintegrations! |
Posted By: Murph
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 4:25pm
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I had a 570 Sportfisher, (open boat) for a couple of years before upgrading to the 610 Gameking, which I have now owned for two years. My only regret is that I don't own the new shape as there is significantly more width inside the hard top on the new models. I haven't had anything to do with the 5.8 Surtees but have a few mates with 5.5 Workmates. They all seem to like their boats but after spending a lot of time on an Extreme I'm afraid that I just don't enjoy enjoy a day on the water anywhere near as much when I'm in a Surtees. Each to their own though, you really have to do some sea trials in various conditions to see what you feel is the best for your situation and budget etc. Personally, having owned two Extremes I am quite sure that my next boat will also be an Extreme. Another great thing about Extreme Boats is that the market isn't flooded with them, unlike the Workmate, which seems to be the ocean going equivilant of the Toyota Corolla. Consequently when you come to sell or trade you will likely find that there is a strong market for your second hand boat and you will get good money for it, (that's my experience anyway).
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Posted By: johnny_A
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 6:10pm
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Spoke to a guy on the water on the weekend. He had a nice looking Surtees Game Fisher 5.8. He was very happy with it, but wished he'd opted for 130HP rather than the 115HP he went with. We've got the 6.1 Game Fisher and we're really happy with it. Not sure whether the 30cm difference between the 5.8 and the 6.1 is in the cockpit or the cabin. I find that I can sleep "comfortably" in the cabin of the 6.1 (I'm 5'10"). Cheers. |
Posted By: family affair
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 6:41pm
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i just went trough the same thing but not in the brand new side of things. i endid up with the 5.5 workmate they are a boat seroulsy built to fish aye i only wish i had a lil bit more power on myne
come to think about it y is it iv never seen a extreme on the water? is it because they are over priced or just not as common yet? ------------- mv maui |
Posted By: spear junkie
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 6:44pm
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We did a bit of looking around before settling on an Extreme 610. LOVE IT. Never been on a Surtees- but took a guy to the Mokes who was blown away by the Extreme. He seemed to think the smoothness of ride was comparable, but said the Surtees have a tendancy to be "pushed around" by a swell. Actually, Surtees were only in the running for about 5 mins, till the Mrs saw one, and put it in the "way too bloody ugly" basket.  Oh, Bounty, I have no trouble fitting a 140 Rob Allen gun in the side compartment- might be a different story in the 580 though |
Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 6:45pm
| PM Zukman, he has just bought a 5.8m Surtees. As far as I know he is happy with it. |
Posted By: DanielWyatt
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 7:06pm
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Posted By: spear junkie
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 8:54pm
Comparing what you get between the two makes, I would guess the Extreme will be a bit more, you can see the extra work that goes into it. Surtees hardtop is basically just a frame for screen/windows, cabin is simple folded Ali. Extreme base package includes VHF, Lined cabin, Live bait tank, Fuel filter. I reckon the 80 litre tank in the Extreme is not really big enough- have a chat to them they might be able to make it bigger |
family affair wrote:Posted By: Captain Sensible
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 3:57pm
I was looking at both these a year ago, and ended up going for the Extreme GK570 with a Honda 115.
I found the Extreme way cheaper than the Surtees 5.8 - maybe because the 5.8 was a new model then, mind you the 570 was also newly redesigned.
Second that spear junkie - 80 litres is ok, but would be nice to have something bigger for the longer trips (i.e. to the Barrier) Other differences that I noted ... Hull thickness: Extreme 5mm, Surtees 4mm Surtees metal bait board is great unless you want anyone to sit on the rear seat where it is about at their head height - the Extreme palstic foldaway/removable one is better in this respect. Everything seemed to be extra on the Surtees, whereas the Extreme had loads included in the base price. Was/am disappointed with the quality of the welding on the extreme I got - looks like chicken poo in places. The ones at the show were ok, so maybe I got a duff welder. I also dislike the nylac as it reacts not only to petrol but also sunblock! Extreme have another clear finish that they are trialling - can't remember the name of it - worth investigating though - Contact Berni Really pleased with the extreme, good ride - even more pleased with the Honda - maybe would go for the 135 next time? |
Posted By: Cashedup
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 7:44pm
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Hi Chris,
I'm looking at same 2 boats with exception I'm looking at a Sportee surtees as opposed to the hardtop to get it in my shed, but haven't yet been able to test ride either. However points I've noted so far. Earlier Extremes had pretty crappy welding - new ones I've seen are alot better. Extreme has a smaller cockpit area than the 5.8 surtees. Extreme hull has been designed by a boat designer, however flooding keel cannot be shut off like Extreme. This means you can't carry extra ballast if you want a better ride in heavy seas, and for beach launching like we do, can see a hull full of water is going to make it alot harder to man handle in the surf, or hauling it onto the trailer when bottomed ou on the sand. Surtees trailers only have a pair of wobbles rollers each side at the back, where extreme have a pair of 4 rollers, meaning the boat can be retrieved from the sand easier.
The extreme seems to be beamier at the waterline than the surtees, so does this mean it's going to be more stable at anchor???
Extreme is prettier, but surtees has better access to hatch.
I'm over 6ft, and don't have a need to overnight, but I wouldn't want to overnight in either of these, I think they are too small. Also wouldn't be too keen on travelling to barrier in a boat under 6mtrs.
Like I said, these are just my findings and thoughts so far, without having the experience of test riding either.
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Posted By: Cashedup
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 7:46pm
| Correction, that should read that the Surtees flooding keel can be shut off, and Extreme can't |
Posted By: family affair
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 7:55pm
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my 5.5 has been takin to barrier a couple times by the previce owner but like anything you gotta pic ya weather aye my surtees trailer has 8 sets of doubles on it so maybe they change to suit owners needs? iv found that once you open the keel its a big differnce aye but its also good to shut it to keep the water out as i do shallow water lunching. i like the fact tah the surtees is built to fish aye no fancy mailto:s@#t - s@#t to try wash etc just all round awesome. but again each to there own aye probly the only 2 boats you can compere together? ------------- mv maui |
Posted By: Murph
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 8:05pm
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Posted By: family affair
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 8:15pm
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the 5.8 surtees is actully beamier then the 570
the 5.8 has the 130ltr fuel tank hydro steering were the extreme is cable
and the trailer catch is awesome on the surtees
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Posted By: family affair
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 8:17pm
------------- mv maui |
Posted By: Murph
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 8:30pm
| Exactly, so why the need for a shut off flap at the back of the keel channel? Gimmick! |
Posted By: Boatie25
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 8:46pm
Go Murph Love my 570 Extreme Nothing seems to be too much trouble for Berni and crew to deal with. ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: chris1070
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 9:07pm
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Thanks all for all the comments and thoughts so far. I'm interested about the comments about a boat <6 m going to barrier. I understand that (as always) weather plays a huge part but this is something that is important to us. Is this a comfort or a safety issue (we have not done much 'far out' fishing) Again thanks for all the effort people have put into replying. |
Posted By: Murph
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 9:19pm
| How far is it to the Barrier? White Island is about 50km offshore, you have to pick your days to go out there but there are plenty of boats under 6 metres that routinely make the effort. |
Posted By: Hsvl
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 9:53pm
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The Barrier is 55miles so what 90Km from Auckland ------------- It hit like a freight train, line peeling and drag screaming the rod now doubled with a tell tail nodding and Salt thickening within the veins. |
Posted By: Bounty Hunter
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 9:59pm
both of these will do barrier or the mokes from omaha piece of cake. however, the extreme will probably need a sip of fuel at some stage - if the underfloor tank is indeed 90l, youll need to top up over there or carry some in totes. ------------- No disintegrations! |
Posted By: Murph
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 10:15pm
| Just talk to the Extreme guys, they can make the fuel tank bigger if required. |
Posted By: daveo
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2011 at 7:20am
 your saying with a extra 300kg right down low it isnt going to give a better ride in the rough? Surtees are like they say built to fish and there is a reason they are the "toyota corolla" of the sea, Think about it
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Posted By: Mark Mac
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2011 at 9:05am
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I have a new Extreme 610 centre console. Ive been in the 5.5 surtees but not the 570 extreme. The finish in my boat is very good, the welds look tidy and the paint smooth. I had my fuel tank upgraded to 150 litres at no extra cost.
During the build, I went to the factory where they were building my boat. I was able to choose where and how many rod holders I wanted, extra hand holds and where to locate switch panels on my centre console. Trim tabs also come standard on boats 570 upwards now.
The ride is nothing short of amazing. Since taking possession in February I have taken wave spray in the face on only two occassions. Pretty good for an open boat. We've had three fat barstards fishing from one side and the list in the hull is bugger all
The 5.5 surtees I was in handled the rough water well. I was pleasantly surprised. But we took a fair amount of spray over the boat. Once stopped, the hull was very tippy, until we flooded the hull.
I was told by my wife that we were not buying a surtees because they are ugly. The Extreme got the thumbs up, and we havent looked back.
As for trailers, I provided Extreme with a new tandem axle Voyager. I dont like their trailers
Try both boats. Go for a test ride in rough conditions. You'll see ------------- Time spent on the water doesn't come off your life |
Posted By: Mark Mac
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2011 at 9:06am
| Forgot to say. I think the surtees is a great boat, its just not for me |
Posted By: Murph
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2011 at 5:17pm
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Posted By: Moki Marko
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2011 at 6:11pm
"built to fish"  yeah I'm always a bit 'sus' about catchy jargon.I'm a bit reluctant to get into this debate because surtees owners are just soooo sensitive buuuut, here goes - I think the flooding keel is a useful addition to the Exteeme, the design already has chines that provide stability, lift, spray deflection and directional control, ie makes the boat feel like it's on rails although they do harden up the ride a little, a reasonable compromise I think. The Surtess doesn't have chines and totally relies on the flooding keel to overcome the lack of stability, it helps but is no substitute for a well designed hull. Holding water in the bottom of the hull can help when underway in rough seas but the downside is the boat is sluggish as there is very little lift in those hulls (no chines) and with the extra weight they drop off the plane even earlier than normal which is exactly what you don't want when the going gets rough. If the surtees was way cheaper than the Exteeme I'd look at it but you want to make sure its got the max hp that the hull is rated for. |
Posted By: hogdog
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2011 at 6:36pm
what boat you got moki?
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Posted By: Moki Marko
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2011 at 6:47pm
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Posted By: seawolf
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2011 at 7:33pm
| the ballast chamber wasnt even in the original extreme design drawings the guy who started extreme only put it in cause he had done 2000hrs in his 6.1 surtees charter boat and thought it was a good idea and cause it adds strength and a double skin hull system in the impact zone! |
Posted By: Cashedup
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 8:35am
Funny you say that, an Extreme dealer even told me he reckomends voyager trailers over the Extreme ones!
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Posted By: Legacy
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 9:30am
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Like the look of that rig MM , are the chines as wide as they look in that photo ? |
Posted By: Moki Marko
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 9:32am
Yes the ballast system is relatively easy to build into a hull and that big long triangulated section must help stiffen up the hull, I'm surprised more boat makers don't add it in at build stage. The new Ramcos (like the Extreme) are a Scott Robson design , don't think they have a flooding keel, must check |
Posted By: seawolf
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 2:07pm
| barcrusher have put a patent on the ballast chamber in australia to try an stop others coppying it over there. is your boat self draining decks MM? love walk round center cabs big in aussie but not over here in alloy for some reason? driven thru some big waves in my hardtop and imagine a walkround would fill with water? ever happend to you? spent some time in a 8meter alloy walkround copy of the tournament glass boats, was built by rockhopper boats, centre cab,high floor and big diesel inboard was a great fishing rig but we never did dip the nose under a wave maybe they just balance different than full cab hardtops? |
Posted By: Moki Marko
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 8:03pm
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Posted By: Moki Marko
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 8:09pm
| Hmm can't seem to get words and pictures on the same post - Anyway with the wheelhouse further back the nose stays up and has never looked like taking a green one over the bow, has never looked like broaching in a following sea. Wheelhouse is offcentre with the walkaround on the port side - it aint pretty but it works |
Posted By: seawolf
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 8:32pm
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looks mean |
Posted By: graham 99
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 9:00pm
| moki marko i like your boat .a lot of boat builders should take note. |
Posted By: CBF-Whk
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 9:28pm
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I had a 6 meter centre cab a few years back. Blue Marlin. Was awsome fishing platform in the meatballs best was 4 yf hooked and landed at once. Was always very careful on the bar (Whk) as any wave on board stays on board. But a great fishing concept.
CBF
Whk
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Posted By: Muzzfishing
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 9:49pm
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Good luck with the boat hunting Chris found this an interesting thread, has gone a bit left field. What ever you and she who must be obeyed choose it will be the right one. ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow"> A Good Skipper Keeps the water on the outside of the boat.
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Posted By: NZTurtle
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2011 at 12:15am
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It's easy enough to buy a boat then think "what if?". As Muzzfishing said, if you buy it an you are both happy, where is the problem? All boats are a compromise unless you want a bespoke one. I'm a Surtees fan boy but only as a result of what I know - 55km offshore and SWMBO feeling fine, locked in flooded keel just crusin home at 15 knots/hr in offshore breeze against tide - I'm estatic if she is happy (no Ski, not like that...) When I see so many Extreme boat owners fanboying up, then I'll look harder. That said the 850 Extreme at the boat show was superb. Hopefully Surtees will be announcing something soon on > 8m vessels. Yes Seawolf, that is a very subtle hint... ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: johnny_A
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2011 at 10:22am
+1 |
Posted By: Tzer
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2011 at 10:49am
+1 Tried to stay out of this but you know couldnt resist  +1more |
Posted By: Boatingnz
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2011 at 11:21am
| Hi All great to see some debate on different boats and what manufacturers can improve on in their boats ,(we cant think of everything) and all alloy boats mentioned can be changed around to suit the customers needs such as rod storage etc just need to sit down with them and tell them what you want and they will be happy to accomadate your needs at the end of the day as long as your happy with your purchase and are getting the use out of it your boat will be a great boat ,as in all boats there is a compromise on different Brands some have this some have that ,that what makes us different ,and thanks again for the imput as we take note of what is suggested on these sites and include a lot of ideas from you guys ,Regards Berni (Extreme Boats) |
Posted By: Moki Marko
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2011 at 3:05pm
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haha don't look too closely Berni, you'll go nuts. I'm always interested in what makes a brand strong. Peer acceptance is a huge influence, a good example is the Hilux ute, if you're a farmer or hunter and turn up in anything other than a Hilux you have to justify it. but if you turn up in a Hilux nothing gets said, the acceptence is automatic. I think Surtees have achieved a degree of that acceptence, and I think the functionanl look of the 5.5 workmate has played a big part. I've seen a lot of ally boat makers try to get their boats to look like a glass boats, too be honest I wonder if some of the latest crop of cad designed ally boats are getting a tad too 'pretty' for us hunt'n, shoot'n, fish'n guys |
Posted By: family affair
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2011 at 7:08pm
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too be honest I wonder if some of the latest crop of cad designed ally boats are getting a tad too 'pretty' for us hunt'n, shoot'n, fish'n guys [/QUOTE]  nicley said------------- mv maui |
Posted By: blackboat
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2011 at 7:14pm
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so who ( what company ) has come up with when fueling the boat it doesnt run out the breather when full and kill the nyalic resulting in a black unsightly mess down the side ,my 609 stabi was bad and my southern is not much better
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Posted By: seawolf
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2011 at 7:56pm
| use the two pot clear around the breather instead of nyalic? do the whole boat in two pot? lots of the boats surtees sending to aussie fully painted inside and out think people moving away from nyalic for the reasons you mention blackboat. and message recieved loud and clear turtle from you and many more! |
Posted By: seawolf
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2011 at 8:06pm
| the other thing we do mainly for aussie cause its always hot and sunny? is put an 2litre overflow tank up by the end of the breather, catches the fuel when hot or when filling and feeds it back to the tank when cold,can sort one for you if you want to suss it out black boat send me a pm. |
Posted By: Denny Boy
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2011 at 8:36pm
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Posted By: Murph
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2011 at 9:26pm
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Well that's my opinion, as far as I'm concerned the main benefit of the flooding keel is added strength, the chines on the Extreme hull are much more responsible for the stability than having a few hundred kilos of water held in the keel. My understanding is that the concept was around well before Surtees started using it. The Extreme is a hull that doesn't need added weight for stability while underway, the hull design is such that it isn't required. You could always get out a rag and some thinners if you find the coated look a bit too toffey nosed for your tastes. There are plenty of bare alli hulls available if that's what you want.
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Posted By: zukman
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2011 at 11:52pm
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I went in to the dealers to look at a Surtees 5.5 Workmate to replace my 5mtr Ramco Teraway & ended up buying a 5.8 Gamefisher.The Gamefisher was a demo boat & the price was within my budget.Sea test conditions were just what you want to test a boat.Wind against the tide forming a heavy chop which it handled without a problem.It has more cockpit room than the 6.1 Barcrusher.My wife & I did 2 nights away in it over Easter.It was fine for us but if you are 6' or over you will find it cramp unless you extend the bunks which would be easy enough to do.I have the fold away seats which work really well.When folded down they give a lot of room in the cockpitIt's light enough to tow with a 3Ltr car. It fishes 5 alright but better with 4.It's very stable at rest.I only shut the ballast tank off in a heavy chop.It dose make differance to the ride.I've got a 115 4stroke on which goes very well.It gets out of the hole with no worries.Nothing startling top end.The 130 ltr tank gives you lot fuel to run around with.It would get me out the Barrier no problem.So far I'm very happy with it.If you get a paint boat beware of the pontoons at the ramps as some of them are very abrasive. I didn't look at the 5.7 Gameking apart from at the showThe price of all the other boats of this size were out of my budget & the Gamefisher was the right price at the right time.Perfer the transom filler to the floor filler.The cabin space in the Gameking looked smaller than the Gamefisher.That could be because of the windless which I don't have. It's interesting to see the fishing people are as one sided about boats as car people(Holden Vs Ford)
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Posted By: Denny Boy
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 12:35pm
 The Extreme is a hull that doesn't need added weight for stability while underway, the hull design is such that it isn't required.You could always get out a rag and some thinners if you find the coated look a bit too toffey nosed for your tastes. There are plenty of bare alli hulls available if that's what you want.
 Hee hee-this gets better! "rag and thinners"?? You've pretty much said it all.....I'll ask again-why have Extreme put in a flooded hull? I'll guarantee that it wasn't just created to add more deadweight and strength to the hull although it definitely would do that. Have you ever tried shutting off the hull in some way to keep the water out then see what it's like for stability? On my 5.5 I've only shut off the hull a couple of times in the time I've had it so it isn't used frequently but it's a real nice-to-have when I do. As far as the bare ali hulls go that's why I got a Surtees cos if I wish to paint it or whatever in the future I can do it my way.
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Posted By: Murph
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 3:02pm
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Posted By: Tzer
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 4:28pm
That maybe so Murph but I think you will find Surtees made it standard with their hull design |
Posted By: Tzer
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 4:32pm
What do you get when you purchase an Extreme Boat?
Straight from Extremes website, says it all doesnt it. |
Posted By: Tzer
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 4:39pm
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Posted By: Bossco
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 4:56pm
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Think both sets of owners are as biased as each other, probably a good sign for you either way you go. I think you will find if you want to do any overnighting or long trips that you will outgrow a boat that size fast and wish you went a bit bigger, maybe better to look at a 2nd hand 6.1 barcrusher or similar. |
Posted By: Murph
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 5:36pm
| The flooding keel does add to stability at rest, that's obvious and its also obviously a marketing feature for both brands, however I maintain that the need to trap water in the keel for improved handling while underway is negligable on an Extreme hull. This is primarily due to the hull design being superior through the use of wide down turned chines together with a deep vee. Again, that is just my opinion, (and my experience). |
Posted By: seawolf
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 6:24pm
must dissagree with your broad statement that the extreme hull is superior because of wide chines? all boats are a compromise in some conditions ive spent 1200 hrs on surtees 6.1s and 200 hrs on a 7meter xtreme and both have different rides for sure but love my current 6.1 as an allround boat. have seen deep v wide chine( gull wing hulls) get tipped up on there side an run for a lontime on the chine and hull on that side till the crew manages to balance it the other way and a large chine must bang more when the chops on a certain angle moreso than a deep vee small chine? from that respect the surtees hull is more innovative with deep vee small chine and no strakes but with the ballast system to provide stability at rest? lots of wide chine boats out there mclay,laser southern circa etc? my two cents worth but great for whakatane to see our two local boats in the spotlight so much love your passion towards your boat brand murph keep it up! next time you see bernie ask him why he owns an alloy maitland cat instead of an extreme?
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Posted By: spear junkie
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 6:26pm
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Posted By: spear junkie
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 6:35pm
| Ha, ha. Surtees- the only company in the world to offer a cassette player as an optional extra!!!! Like their customers, stuck in the nineties. |
Posted By: Tzer
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 6:35pm
Difference is that although both have 2 main center uprights, on the Surtees the windscreen is divided equally. Whereas on the Extreme the screen is not equal and when you sit/stand either at the helm or passenger seat there is a post/upright almost directly in front of your feild of veiw. |
Posted By: spear junkie
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 6:39pm
Never noticed it, its only been 18 months though- guess thats why I keep ending up on the rocks! |
Posted By: Murph
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 6:57pm
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Posted By: Moki Marko
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 10:03am
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Again I'm with Murph all the way in this debate. My thinking is that the Surtees hull is designed to be cheaper to make, thats not a bad thing as it gets a lot of people out in the water in a practical, safe, value for money boat. The downturn chines on the Extreme are expensive to engineer in and I would expect to pay more for this boat as a result, although seawolf makes the valid point that they would harden up the ride, the extreme does have a slightly deeper V at the transom and by the time the chines hit the water most of the impact has been absorbed. I don't think this is a Holden/Falcon debate I think it's more of a Holden/BMW debate. |
Posted By: Murph
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 12:48pm
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I think of the chines as if they were a boat
equivalent of a cars tyres, they are what grips the water in the turns and what
keeps the boat tracking straight and true. That's probably a simplistic view
but its how I see it. Chines also provide lift and deflect spray very
effectively. They do harden the ride up a bit but the benefits are worth it in
my opinion. I had a look at the Surtees web site last night and noticed a few interesting numbers. The 5.5 Workmate is 5.5 metres in length, has a
beam of 2150 and wieghs 412 kg, (420 kg for the HT version).
The 5.8 Gamefisher is 5.85 metres in length, has a
beam of 2250 and weighs 550 kg. Both hulls have 710mm freeboard. So the 5.8 is about 6% longer than the Workmate and about 4% beamier, (so say around 10% bigger overall), but it is about 30% heavier than the Workmate. The workmate has a water ballast of 320 litres,
(320 kg), which will effectively increase its weight by about 77%. So I can see
from those numbers how trapping water in the ballast chamber can help the
workmate to handle better.
Maybe I've got a warped way of looking at things
though because I tend to look at those numbers and just think, "why the
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Posted By: Boatingnz
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 12:59pm
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Good one seawolf Maitland Cat is comercial fishing went halves with son inlaw in boat fishing out of Tauranga Crabbing nice boat for the purpose .My New 750 Gameking has been ordered just waiting for a Build Spot
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Posted By: riga
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 1:01pm
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From my time in an extreme, the ride is awesome in a slight chop from any angle or straight into most sea conditions, its when you are quarter on to the sea that the ride really deteriorates, more so than any other boat I have been on basically because of the large chines. |
Posted By: Murph
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 1:03pm
| Maybe I should sell mine Berni and just bludge a spot on your 750?? |
Posted By: andy2fish
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 1:18pm
Not before mine Only a smaller extreme to the one this forume is talking about, but can not wait all the same. Make it qiuck Burni I need to get out there and start fishing again. Good to see a good tussle between two fine vessels. ------------- If only I could fly |
Posted By: Davo
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2011 at 4:38pm
| What a great debate to read - clearly a lot of passion on all sides. I've just bought the "corolla" (a 5.5 hardtop) and am still waiting for it to be delivered - with a lot of enthusiasm. I'm sure it will suit me fine having tried out a few before getting my own - for the fishing/spearing I like to do round Welly. Like the corolla of the sea I got the equivalent land version - a lumbering land cruiser 77 to tow it. Both for me are tried and true machines. I appreciate tho that some folk prefer BMWs etc and it all comes down to what preferences each person has I guess, it seems no one person will be "right" in terms of which is better (or not). I agree with the comments about sea trialling both and getting a sense of what is going to work for you. You be the best placed person to know that...whatever you decide to go with I hope you get heaps of enjoyment out of it! Cheers, Dave |
Posted By: Muzzfishing
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2011 at 9:36pm
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The 5.5 " Corolla" are a very popular boat. Hope she live up to your expectations Dave. Put us up some pics, when you get her. ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow"> A Good Skipper Keeps the water on the outside of the boat.
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Posted By: Davo
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2011 at 8:34am
| Will do! Am marking off the days... |
Posted By: Snapperoo
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2014 at 9:51am
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Sorry to reactivate this debate. Just bought a new shape 5.5 Workmate after having an original one for many years. Looked at the Extreme 570 and was about to buy when I realised it had a tiny cabin and ridiculous sidepockets in the cockpit. Plus 80l tank for at least a 115hp is daft. The new Workmate has 100l and a 90hp pushes it beautifully.
But the big turn off re the Extreme was the fact that the dealer fitted permatrims or something similar as standard because the hull porpoises apparently. BUT the Extreme is a better built boat, probably drier and looks much nicer. Costs about 20k more than the 5.5, too, although it really should be compared to the Surtees 5.8 which seems to be about the same price. The Surtees 5.5 is a superb boat, truly the Corolla of the sea as someone described it. Corollas of course get you from A to B safely on the smell of an oily rag, and have a great resale. |
Posted By: Time_Bandit
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2014 at 12:27pm
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5.8 and 6m is 200mm don't think it will make a huge difference, surtees if your after a fishing boat they are turely built to fish ------------- “Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.” |
Posted By: Perk
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2015 at 9:22am
| This is helpful. I am a happy Extreme 570 customer. The only feature I have found as hard work however is the heavy dumping the boat does in to foul chop and swell, whereas the Surtees, Mclay, Marco et all' etc have a more pointed bow and with the Surtees flooded under-floor ballast that helps absorb the pounding. I am looking at getting Extreme to install the flap device that keeps the water in while cruising. Can you ( or any other forum member ) confirm for me that the additional water ballast fitted to the Sportfisher 570 improves the comfort of the ride in foul seas? I have a 135 Merc Optimax which has plenty of spare torque for getting up and planing - and we are looking for a modification solution, as we are extremely happy with the boat itself and will not change. It is high quality assembly and finishing, wide beam and very comfortable for fishing (3 guys on one side of boat and it remains stable at rest). We also get it on and off the trailer in the surf. The 1200kg weight is manageable for 2 guys and easy for 3 in the waves. I would appreciate comments of users of the 570 Sportfisher who have the ballast flap installed to keep the water in - and how it improves the ride. |
Posted By: Cashedup
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2015 at 8:59pm
| I didn't know Extreme did a shut off flap?? Is this something new for them? |
Posted By: corokid
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2015 at 9:31pm
I can squeeze into the cabin of the Surtees 5.8 for a "Safety Sleep" , I'm big on safety so that alone would seal the deal for me
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Posted By: Muzzfishing
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2015 at 8:24pm
Suggest you talk to Extreme boats and see if they do or have fitted a flap to keep the water in the keel, some have previously said light boats like the Surtees 5.5 do benefit when filling the ballast to give a better ride when it gets rough. ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow"> A Good Skipper Keeps the water on the outside of the boat.
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Posted By: fishoooo
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2015 at 8:29pm
Yea mine does piss all. I leave it open. 5.5m Surtees hardtop.
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Posted By: OGBOMB
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2015 at 8:34pm
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Just to throw it out there, have you looked at the 580 or 660 White Pointer? Built solid like their larger boats and with the option to fully customise to suit your paticular needs. Well worth a look in my opinion.
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Posted By: tjm
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2015 at 8:48pm
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both nice, Surtees great fishing boat for all conditions ------------- Cant beat hunting and Fishing in N.Z |
Posted By: BenM
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2015 at 7:40am
| Girlfriends father is upgrading the 6.1 barcrusher he currently has so called Fishing Boats NZ and Woodbine Marine to organise tests on a 6.1 game fisher and 6.1 game king respectively. The Surtees dealer was very prompt, accommodating and the sea trial went well with the boat feeling quite a lot different (positive) to the current set up - 150hp Yamaha 4 stroke on the back pushing it along nicely. Woodbine marine 'sales' man took a name and phone number saying it'd take a couple of days to organise a test (wtf?) and 8 days later no phone call or any kind of follow up to organise the sea trial. Looks like the $80,000+ will be spent on the North Shore rather than East Tamaki. |
Posted By: johnny_A
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2015 at 10:35pm
Good call. We did the same and were very happy with the choice. Cheers.
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Posted By: Denny Boy
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2015 at 8:35am
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. I know a guy with an Extreme and he has said to me that it would be nice to have the close-off flap on his boat so there must have been an occasion he wanted it as well. Don't get me wrong Extreme is a very good boat.Posted By: rahui
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2015 at 3:40pm
| Buy a real boat get a 5'7 aqualine hardtop |
Posted By: Denny Boy
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2015 at 5:30pm
Rahui-you've been reading my mind, have you got one of these? I'd be very interested in some info on them. PM me
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Posted By: durleyzz
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2015 at 2:53pm
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I've just bought 5.7 extreme, a bigger boat than surtees 5.8 , Nicer & cheaper all round but might not be as good in heavy sea. (is flooded keel an advantage by theory-- yes) Innovision could be better again at heavy sea But bigger & more expensive again. -- |
Posted By: rodneymarine
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2015 at 10:36am
| what ever you are going to buy get it out on the water,and if you can try one with the new Yamaha F130 amazing |
Posted By: Bigfishbob
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2015 at 6:09pm
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Well I wasn't expecting this.... Been getting quite keen on a extreme Game king 570 lately. Went and checked one out today. All good until I stood upright behind the wheel and my head touched the roof! I'm 6'2" tall. Do Surtees have more headroom? ------------- www.waikatosportfishing.co.nz |
Posted By: zukman
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2015 at 10:19am
| Yes the Surtees has more head room & more room in the births. |
Posted By: straks007
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2015 at 10:57am
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We also ran into the same issue re headroom when we were looking at the Extremes. We were told they can add a spacer to the hardtop at the factory to give a little extra headroom. We settled for a Mclay so it didnt end up being an issue ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Bigfishbob
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2015 at 4:54pm
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I think we'll go with the extreme but will put either an aluminium bubble over the helm, or put a hatch in that increases the headspace a bit. ------------- www.waikatosportfishing.co.nz |
Posted By: worksux
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2015 at 5:54pm
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You checked out the Everyman 635 Bob. Could be an alternative worth considering. They are down Grassland place. ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Bigfishbob
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2015 at 9:09am
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Thanks Dave, much budget only extends to second hand, hence trying to find a way to make the boat I like work ------------- www.waikatosportfishing.co.nz |
Posted By: dizzle
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2015 at 10:50am
Good thread boys. I am in the throws of buying a 5.8 Gamefisher last years model 2014 has a 5mil hull and 4 mil sides with a 150F yamy. but the Xtreme boys have just offered me a 570 game king with the same extras but only has a 130F yammy at the same price. Oh what to do??  |
Posted By: daveo
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2015 at 11:03am
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take them for a test in some **** weather mate. the extremes I have been in have been back breakers ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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