Wind Knots
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Topic: Wind Knots
Posted By: fish i
Subject: Wind Knots
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2011 at 10:21am
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I'm finding some wind knots that I have been getting around the guides pretty frustrating lately, especially when the action is hot on the surface. My anxiety levels seem to go through the roof when such is going down. Just wondering if this is simply down to types of braid or becoming somewhat lazidazical in the casting method? Can't really work out what I would be doing wrong. One of my mates on here uses top of the line casting Varivas braid, and rekons it is not even an issue he experiences. So is it braid or angler? Cheers. ------------- 6th place in the inaugural Te Kauwhata Regionals paddle crab division |
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Posted By: JK
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2011 at 10:27am
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What type of braid are you using mate?
Never had any issues with the xzoga braid but did along time back with some rapala titanium. ------------- LedgeNZ LBG |
Posted By: fish i
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2011 at 10:36am
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Sufix performance at the mo' ------------- 6th place in the inaugural Te Kauwhata Regionals paddle crab division |
Posted By: hardstickbaiter
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2011 at 1:44pm
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try useing 80lb whiplash.I use it and have never had a problem with it ------------- Strictly Stickbaits |
Posted By: LBGer
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2011 at 3:12pm
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I was using 30lb powerpro, and it casts very well on my Ultegra & low rider guides, never ever had an issue. Then using my Okuma VS65 and 50lb powerpro I had numerous issues, always in the same place, usually 2 wind knots 30yds form the lure. Tried using SUfix Performance braid, much the same problem. I noticed when I cast and 'snapped' the cast at the end (instead of a steady smooth swing) it would wind knot more. Using lighter lures it would wind knot more as well as I think a heavy lure meant the line would wind on tighter. The biggest difference has been taking more braid off the reel and I have almost eliminated it.
My advice - take 20-30 yds of braid off, try casting, if not, take another 20-30yds yds off. If that doesnt work, buy some daiwa saltiga boat braid, good breaking strain for the diameter and do not over fill. It could be a problem wiht the line lay of the reel. I have seen old daiwas lay braid unevenly and it caused real problems. (May not be the reel but worth considering if it is not newer technology)...my 3cents ------------- A king on the bricks is worth 5 in a boat. |
Posted By: Falco
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2011 at 3:51pm
| If its any help I dont get them,when I share my gear others do.Would suggest it could be somthing subtle that you are doing? |
Posted By: snapazapa
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2011 at 4:01pm
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I was havin this trouble too,Tony(yeehaa) told me to hang the lure further off your rod tip,works to,now hang it about 3/4ft off the tip,had to lose 25m of varivas gt to learn this,no worrys now. ------------- Live life to the fullest... |
Posted By: fish i
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2011 at 4:51pm
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Cheers Snapazapa, that could be making a bit of sense. Was mixing up how long I was dropping the lure prior to casting last time out owing to other people's position on the boat. Those Owner ST trebles are death on a string waiting to happen, so was playing it cautious a bit when casting. Will put such to practice. The weight lures I was using were pretty much max for my set up, and was using some light poppers and still stumbling over issue. So don't think that was the issue. It always happens around my first guide. ------------- 6th place in the inaugural Te Kauwhata Regionals paddle crab division |
Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2011 at 6:19pm
| Found I was getting them later in the day once I was getting lazy. I found your action when retrieving has allot to do with it. if you get loose wraps of line on the spool then when you cast they tend to fal off in a bunch. also if your spool is to full can cause issues etc. you been doing well fishi? |
Posted By: fish i
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2011 at 6:22pm
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Heaps of fish bro, just nothing big, ratz ------------- 6th place in the inaugural Te Kauwhata Regionals paddle crab division |
Posted By: snapazapa
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2011 at 6:42pm
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Yep,I think your spot on there too Hookerpuka,I now try to keep more tension while retreiving.
Edit;I also found that i was trying to hard to do big sweeps,have cut the sweeps down 1/3 and relaxed more,found that my timing got alot better. ------------- Live life to the fullest... |
Posted By: ginga
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2011 at 7:20pm
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Yep loose loops are the main problem here, bloody hard to prevent. I have seen it happen with both novice and expert anglers.
If it is a consistent problem then some things to look at are spool capacity, too much line is a big cause. Change the braid out completely if it keeps happening. ------------- www.extremesportfishing.co.nz. Agent for Carpenter, Orion and ASWB products |
Posted By: ginga
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2011 at 7:22pm
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One tip too if you getting wind knots in the line use a crochet hook to pick them out, some guys simply pull them out but i feel this may damage the line a bit. ------------- www.extremesportfishing.co.nz. Agent for Carpenter, Orion and ASWB products |
Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2011 at 9:28pm
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What guides are you running on the rod mate? Some reverse the first guide for better casting...
It would seem if it is happening at the first guide all the time there is some reason for it, can you move your reel seat? can you change reels or even rods? Might pay to ask some of the rod builders??
Fuji made a self detangling guide - K series... for the problems associated with braid...kinda cool to watch a wind knot in super slow mo...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loQvH25QVUk&feature=player_embedded - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loQvH25QVUk&feature=player_embedded #
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Posted By: Coxy From Gold Coast
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2011 at 10:35pm
Was just about to say that, the new Jigging Master popper rods and Shore Game have the new K series guides on them, they look rather cool and should fix the problem. Sometimes it can be the braid though, had a few problems once before and now use tuffline XP seems to be rather good for the price. |
ReelAppealLures wrote:Posted By: of2fsh
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2011 at 8:20pm
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main cause of wind knots is the cast line leaving the rod tip slows down its speed due to the lure causing drag in the air, the line leaving the reel spool is still rocketing off the reel due to its thin nature and lack of resistence ( it isnt affected by drag like the lure) .its leaving the reel in loops and gets to the point where the lure is no longer dragging the braid off the spool in small loops at speed its naturally free flowing and the loops get bigger..they will loop over the 1st guide causing a breakage or it will bunch up at the 1st guide and make a knot before the lure drags the messy knot thru all the rest of the guides.this is a big problem with single foot guides on s/b rods..i spent ages with Kojak trying to fix this problem on my custom rods and production rods..reversing the 1st guide or stripper guide and using a double foot guide works very well.if going to this amount of effort replacing it with a larger guide is more effective.most production rods use the bare minimum guides and the smallest they can.this can save lots of $$ over millions of rods,the second main reason i found was bulky knots,casting with the leader on the spool is good for giving it as big heav but the braid to leader knot going thru the guides slows the line down ,a slim neat knot fixed this with s/b fishing and ive found the yucatan is spot on..new braid is also alot more prone to wind knots as its slippery and fly off the spool extremly quickly...loosly packed line is another,after getting busted off applying hand pressure to the retieved braid packing it tight onto the spool is a good idea ...hope this helps in my opinion make of braid isnt a huge problem except when brand new ,some braids like suffix pro are very slippery or smooth where as others like tuf line are a bit ruffer.when the braid is used for a while it becomes worn or the coating on it become warn and it settles down in the spool and the problem happens less often ------------- 2009 and 2010 BERKLEY SOFTBAIT COMP CHAMPS,Runner up 2013 ( solo),winner 2013/14 longest kingfish nz fishing competition |
Posted By: timfish
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2011 at 1:16am
| Yip and could be your leader, had probs when using flouro, and shorten your leader so knot is not on the reel. I used to loose 2 or three lures a trip now maybe a tangle once every 20 trips, good luck |
Posted By: fish i
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2011 at 3:06pm
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Yeah my first guide is reversed, but it's not all that big. Put what you cats suggested into practice today and no knots.
------------- 6th place in the inaugural Te Kauwhata Regionals paddle crab division |