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Topic: Last Summer for Great Whites
Posted By: odin
Subject: Last Summer for Great Whites
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2006 at 5:26pm
Hi Guys
What follows is a government press release from earlier today. The 'tailgunner' Carter is again sticking his nose in.
 
 
Full Protection For Great White Sharks

Press Release by New Zealand Government at 11:11 am, 30 Nov 2006

White pointer sharks will now be fully protected within the 200 nautical
miles of New Zealand and from fishing by New Zealand-flagged boats,
further a field, in a change in legislation announced by the Ministers
of Conservation and Fisheries today.

The species, also known as the great white shark, will be protected
under The Wildlife Act meaning it will be illegal to hunt, kill or harm
a white pointer shark within New Zealand's Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ
- 200 nautical mile limit around NZ). It will also be illegal in New
Zealand to possess or trade in any part of a white pointer shark.

New Zealand is a signatory to the Convention on the Conservation of
Migratory Species of Wild Animals and has an obligation to prohibit the
taking of white pointer sharks.

Conservation Minister Chris Carter said despite the white pointer's
reputation as an apex predator, it was vulnerable to fishing and
becoming rarer throughout the world.

"These majestic animals occur naturally in low numbers and, without
protection, could be pushed to the brink of extinction. The Wildlife Act
provides a strong deterrent against targeting great whites with a
$250,000 fine and up to six months imprisonment as a maximum penalty."

The species will be further protected on the high seas (outside the EEZ)
under the Fisheries Act where New Zealand-flagged boats will be
prohibited from taking white pointer sharks while fishing outside the
EEZ.

However, provisions will be created to permit the continued use of shark
nets to protect swimmers around beaches in Dunedin, and fishers
accidentally catching and killing white pointers will not be prosecuted
provided they register the death with authorities.

Fisheries Minister Jim Anderton said the white pointer shark was not
known to be targeted by commercial fishing but was occasionally taken,
unintentionally, as by-catch.

Mr Anderton also said they were sometimes targeted by recreational
fishers and there was some demand for jaws and teeth as fishing
trophies. Others were unintentionally caught in set nets.

"No one wants to see an animal hunted to extinction for the sake of a
jaw or a few teeth or to be placed under pressure by accidental catch.
Under these new regulations no fisher will be able to profit from taking
a white pointer, and any fisher inadvertently catching one will have to
return it to the sea, intact, and alive, if possible," Mr Anderton said.

The protection comes into effect in April 2007.
 
Cheers
odin
  


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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2006 at 5:30pm
great stuff nice to see this happening and when a kiddy is taken from some beach the polititian who wants his photos in the new porno mag bent house will get a slavering.
 
there are 2 currently around the toots area xmas is not far away for the bathers oh goody.


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Posted By: Fishb8
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2006 at 5:43pm
Great stuff - about time.

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Posted By: fush
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2006 at 5:52pm
Does that mean there will be a last gasp focus on catching them before April. We may see more targeted and caught this summer than in the past 10 years.

Bound to be a few guys out there who want to take their opportunity before its to late.


Posted By: Mark Edwards
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2006 at 8:24pm

the silly thing is that do they really need protecting? in this day and age there are v few people that target them commercially or recreationally... while I agree with the theory and the principle of looking after these great creatures surely the pols would have been better to spend the same money and time trying to protect or look after something like bluefin, yellowfin, marlin etc etc, i.e something that is under commercial pressure? however I suppose it was an "easy win" for Carter as there are few who would disagree and lobby against it, Im not being churlish but I am a tad cynical about the whole thing....



Posted By: ThomasW
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2006 at 8:31pm
I think there are fewer Great whites around then the others you listed.


Posted By: obald
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2006 at 8:31pm
Originally posted by Mark Edwards Mark Edwards wrote:

the silly thing is that do they really need protecting? in this day and age there are v few people that target them commercially or recreationally... while I agree with the theory and the principle of looking after these great creatures surely the pols would have been better to spend the same money and time trying to protect or look after something like bluefin, yellowfin, marlin etc etc, i.e something that is under commercial pressure? however I suppose it was an "easy win" for Carter as there are few who would disagree and lobby against it, Im not being churlish and think it is a great initiatve but I am a tad cynical about the whole thing....



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Posted By: Mark Edwards
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2006 at 8:37pm
Originally posted by Militaris Militaris wrote:

I think there are fewer Great whites around then the others you listed.
I totally agree, and agree with ensuring these fish arent hunted out of existence, but I think there is reason to be cynical as really people generally dont target great whites, the only commercial value for a dead great white is jaws and teeth, according to the release, and I doubt that will see them hunted to extinction... however for species where there is commercial value I think the taxpayer money should be spent looking after and researching those stocks, rather than some token gesture to protect great whites, dont get me wrong, I am a conservationist and think we should look after everything in the sea, my beef is with misallocation of funds and time thats all....


Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2006 at 9:27pm
Thumbs%20Up


Posted By: long john
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2006 at 7:21am
Even though I'm a treehugger I had to laugh at that fulla from twigs and tweeters inferring that shark fishing comps were causing gw decline as there were prizes for the weightiest fish. Has a white ever been weighed in at a fishing comp? 

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Posted By: Moocha
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2006 at 9:54am
Thats a good question Long John, has one ever been weighed at a comp ever Question


Posted By: odin
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2006 at 10:26am
I believe that there have only been around 6-7 weighed under NZBGFC in the last 20 years. Some threat.
Just the 'tailgunner' doing another Whitianga.
Cheers
odin


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Posted By: Wefaknis
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2006 at 12:31pm
One was caught this year at the Counties comp, and Smudge and grounded have been fattening one up out by the trypod, in the manukau.
 
last thing I want to too is tangle with a white in my boat
 
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/wefaknis/shark06.jpg?t=1165015569 - http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/wefaknis/shark06.jpg?t=1165015569
 
Cheers Wefaknis


Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2006 at 2:21pm

Yes LJ I have seen one weighed and know of four T&R in the Manukau last 4 years.

Just remember if you do want to make your mark before April that the limit is 20 per angler per day.


Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2006 at 4:27pm
20 a day! Caramba, the best I have ever been able to do is 16, dammit, I gotta try harder.
However, in my defence, I have been very sporting about it, and always only using a 4lb tippet on my 4wgt fly rod, and I tease them up and bait them with a size 16 Royal Wulfe.... although, just quietly, a Red Tip Governer is juat as good....
 
Tui Tui Tui.
 
Cheers, Stu.


Posted By: MADNESS
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2006 at 6:14pm
best i get out to the tri pod and burly up Evil%20Smile


Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2006 at 6:27pm
hey guys its only illegal to kill one intentionally,
 dose not say you cant Tand R them and hey if you do get one and it dies well boo hoo these things happen it was said a couple back they cant read and we dont go out of our way like they do in Aussie and South Africa to get em,
bowel tourist is looking for support there is an election coming and this closet commando is feeling for the tree hugger amoungst us to come on board and go ohhhhhh are,
have been fishing for over 40 years never seen 1 never want to and i certainly wont vote for a homo pathing the hemorid highway


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Posted By: Mark Edwards
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2006 at 8:29pm
couldnt have said it better myself....very well put, Carter is a moron and thats all there is to it...


Posted By: part-timer
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2006 at 8:58pm
can I just ask,  did any of you guys vote them in??  if so, then you cant complain....
 
Jim


Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2006 at 9:18pm
heard one bit some kid in Aussie today, couple of Kiwis went and saved him......
 
wish one would bite Helen or Carter....... but then i guess they wouldnt go that deep......


Posted By: Xkon
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2006 at 11:18pm
"and any fisher inadvertently catching one will have to
return it to the sea, intact, and alive, if possible," Mr Anderton said."
theres your loop hole folk's, if you draged the shark backwards for 5 minutes it would drown it, now who's to say it dident come up dead anyway? and what's one to do with it dead? register it and take it home aye :)
 
 
 
Originally posted by odin odin wrote:

Hi Guys
What follows is a government press release from earlier today. The 'tailgunner' Carter is again sticking his nose in.
 
 
Full Protection For Great White Sharks

Press Release by New Zealand Government at 11:11 am, 30 Nov 2006

White pointer sharks will now be fully protected within the 200 nautical
miles of New Zealand and from fishing by New Zealand-flagged boats,
further a field, in a change in legislation announced by the Ministers
of Conservation and Fisheries today.

The species, also known as the great white shark, will be protected
under The Wildlife Act meaning it will be illegal to hunt, kill or harm
a white pointer shark within New Zealand's Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ
- 200 nautical mile limit around NZ). It will also be illegal in New
Zealand to possess or trade in any part of a white pointer shark.

New Zealand is a signatory to the Convention on the Conservation of
Migratory Species of Wild Animals and has an obligation to prohibit the
taking of white pointer sharks.

Conservation Minister Chris Carter said despite the white pointer's
reputation as an apex predator, it was vulnerable to fishing and
becoming rarer throughout the world.

"These majestic animals occur naturally in low numbers and, without
protection, could be pushed to the brink of extinction. The Wildlife Act
provides a strong deterrent against targeting great whites with a
$250,000 fine and up to six months imprisonment as a maximum penalty."

The species will be further protected on the high seas (outside the EEZ)
under the Fisheries Act where New Zealand-flagged boats will be
prohibited from taking white pointer sharks while fishing outside the
EEZ.

However, provisions will be created to permit the continued use of shark
nets to protect swimmers around beaches in Dunedin, and fishers
accidentally catching and killing white pointers will not be prosecuted
provided they register the death with authorities.

Fisheries Minister Jim Anderton said the white pointer shark was not
known to be targeted by commercial fishing but was occasionally taken,
unintentionally, as by-catch.

Mr Anderton also said they were sometimes targeted by recreational
fishers and there was some demand for jaws and teeth as fishing
trophies. Others were unintentionally caught in set nets.

"No one wants to see an animal hunted to extinction for the sake of a
jaw or a few teeth or to be placed under pressure by accidental catch.
Under these new regulations no fisher will be able to profit from taking
a white pointer, and any fisher inadvertently catching one will have to
return it to the sea, intact, and alive, if possible," Mr Anderton said.

The protection comes into effect in April 2007.
 
Cheers
odin
  


Posted By: Mark Edwards
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2006 at 8:27am
Originally posted by part-timer part-timer wrote:

can I just ask,  did any of you guys vote them in??  if so, then you cant complain....
 
Jim
 
good point Jim, however I can categorically say I did not vote them in, so I feel I have every right to criticise....


Posted By: Tone E
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2006 at 8:42pm
Lets do what the commercials do and go and kill as many as possible before the law comes in, or we could do what the commercials do and whip the odd fin off before releasing them unharmed or just harvest a few teeth then put them back or we could carry on as we have been catching 1 a year between us and deciding whether or not to put it back when we get it to the boat
An ocean without sharks is an unhealthy ocean
An ocean without thinking fishermen is also an unhealthy ocean
A country full of fishermen bullied by pen pushing I know better than you do toss pots is an unhealthy country


Posted By: Jaapie
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2006 at 4:51pm
[However, in my defence, I have been very sporting about it, and always only using a 4lb tippet on my 4wgt fly rod, and I tease them up and bait them with a size 16 Royal Wulfe.... although, just quietly, a Red Tip Governer is juat as good....
 
Tui Tui Tui.
 
Cheers, Stu.
[/QUOTE]
 
 
 
Jeez mate.......
 
You're gonna have to come and have a lash with me at some stage.
I'm struggling on the mako's [on fly]....... have to teach me the finer art of doing it!LOLWink
 
A few years back some bozo out here (Aussie) weighed a juvenile 'mako' .....well so he thought. Couldn't understand the fact that the weighmaster refused to weigh his fish.
Took a fair ribbing he did once his mistake was pointed out though.
 
 


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Posted By: [ DBDRFT ]
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2006 at 4:23pm
 
 
I'm not a big fan of it but do agree it's good for the fish.....they're a beast of a fish that is designed to hunt & kill, gotta appreciate that as we're hunters ourselves.
 
I'll be going out to target them as much as possible before 04/2007 and will still have a "little" bait out for them afterwards. I'll claim it as a by-catch, take a quick snap in the shallows and release it. Makos are still legal (thank God!) Bronzes etc so there are still Sharks to target, harder from land but boo-hoo for me and other LBSF. lol
 
Up to $250,000 fine and 6 months in prison if you get caught killing or hunting them.  Had to be done, USA, Aussie now us. Pity it isn't the Jappas who have to stop catching thousands of whales before 04/2007....oh well, one day I'm sure, I hope.
 
If you do catch one as a "by catch" it's all good and you'll not get charged as long as you do everything in your power to release the fish safely. If you do catch one and release, harm or kill it you have to notify local authorities about it.
 
 
 


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Posted By: Xkon
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2006 at 6:06pm

hunt them but dont kill em, as they are so perfect in the water it's a like you will never see again if they are all ded.

down the chatam islands they will be pissed cause they hunt  them offen
when i was down there we use to hand feed puka head's to them when they poked there heads outa the water to look up at us on the boat.
what's not good is they way they bite any thing metal in the water and it's not good when they mouth the boat hull aye. not good fighters but they sure do drag it out a bit long. like a bloody big brown trout they are dull fighters that take ages to land.


Posted By: part-timer
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2006 at 7:29pm
Im not actually too worried about Great Whites being protected...  Im more worried about the general agenda of the government with regard to rec fishing / com fishing / and reserves..
 
Theres the reserve off white island ( sorry, dont know the name ),  a MASSIVE reserve off the back of great barrier...  total reserve for the poor knights....
 
just wait.... next will be the mokes..... cape brett...  etc etc.....  they want 10%...... you do the mathsConfused
 
Jim


Posted By: part-timer
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2006 at 7:38pm
oh...by the way...  im not against reserves...  just in the right places... 
 
The poor knights is a great example of the benefits of commercial exclusion...  even when it was permissable for rec fishers to fish there ( with restrictions ) it was still rated one of the top dive sites in the world...
 
Jim



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