Forest and Bird Best Fish Guide
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Category: Diving
Forum Name: Spearo's Corner
Forum Description: Free-divers & spearos chat about their sport
URL: https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=102138
Printed Date: 04 Nov 2026 at 10:22pm
Topic: Forest and Bird Best Fish Guide
Posted By: Vegetableman
Subject: Forest and Bird Best Fish Guide
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2014 at 5:14pm
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This may be something that is common knowledge but it's new to me, was on the herald website today. http://www.forestandbird.org.nz/best-fish-guide-13-14" rel="nofollow - http://www.forestandbird.org.nz/best-fish-guide-13-14 If you delve deeper into the guide there is plenty of good info, including information on concerns of most common fish species. A good example is the by-catch issues with arrow squid, contributing to deaths of thousands of birds and hundreds of sea lions in the Auckland Island fishery. Most of us here probably don't buy much seafood but it's good information to have.
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Posted By: inspearation
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2014 at 6:19pm
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I would highly question some of the assertions on this website... To put it in perspective New Zealand is widely recognized as the benchmark for fisheries management.
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Posted By: long john
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2014 at 7:05pm
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Here goes... ------------- Proud member of the Glen Innes Spearfishing Club |
Posted By: case
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2014 at 8:00pm
| I for one couldn't give a rodents rectum what twig and tweet have to say about anything. |
Posted By: tom1
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2014 at 9:27pm
+1  ------------- 14 snapper fillets, "enough for a feed" ?! |
case wrote:Posted By: shiraz
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2014 at 10:42pm
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Trevor (the) Mallard is sponsored by Forest & Bird - BRING BACK THE MOA Now imagine how many families could be fed with just one drum-stick!
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Posted By: Unclejake
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2014 at 10:52pm
| Case, you're a bloody legend mate. Legend. |
Posted By: Diver Dan
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2014 at 11:03pm
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Red neck hunters. Forest and Bird do some great work. The criteria in their species guide looks a bit dodgy though. As for NZ being the benchmark in fisheries management, not entirely sure of that ------------- Proud member of the Glen Innes Spearfishing Club |
Posted By: marlinmarty
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2014 at 11:18pm
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As long as Twig and Tweet stay naked dancing in the Forest I will remain happily neutral to their rantings If they get into saving kelp forest as well I guarantee it will end in tears for someone To many of em live on the fringe of reality ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Nick.
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2014 at 7:34am
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I ate Patagonian Toothfish at Hakasan and it has to be one the best dish Ive eaten. They called it Chilean Sea Bass. |
Posted By: Geofinz
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2014 at 7:45am
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Despite having laid a noise complaint against F&B (true story) I think their fringe element are pretty much harmless and without groups like them we would have less wild country to hunt and probably a fishery in far worse condition. You only have to go back to the debate on here around the reduction in snapper limits in the Hauraki Gulf to see that while they F&B might represent one end of the scale there are plenty at the other end only to happy to rape and pillage everything. |
Posted By: chalkeye
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2014 at 8:31am
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^agreed. I might not agree with it a lot of the time, but I'm glad they have a voice. If their data is robust enough to disprove the sustainability of fisheries quotas, you'd think that it'd be used to change the fisheries quotas. Prepare your tinfoil hats, gentlemen. ------------- float like a crowbar, sting like a bee |
Posted By: Steps
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2014 at 9:02am
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F & B do some great work as mentioned above, on the other hand so much of their info , like with Green peace, is rather selective and very dubious....bird numbers after the Rena.. based on huge overseas spillage numbers.. and eventually , in fine print know one notices refuted months later... list can go on and on... And basically a mouth piece for DoC.. but then any conservation project whatever has to bow down to the deskjockies at DoC anyway to have anything happen... stuff up or not... and then takes years of wasted meetings, shuffling papers and pulling wasted budgets at taxpayers expense... On the other hand we can mock Mallard.....well its the thing to do right now.... time frame 30 to 50 yrs...Really? lets see Capt Kirk had his Science fiction communicator.. now we have our smart phones that make his communicator look like brick cell phone 10/15 years ago and our smart phones have more computing power than what was used to put man on the moon. The technology to re create the Moa is still in its infancy...but beyond the Si Fi realms. And so was man on the moon when Kennedy announced it to happen within the decade... Those who mock , may like to forget they did within their own lifetime.... |
Posted By: Geofinz
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2014 at 9:21am
^ Prescient Chalkeye |
Posted By: Vegetableman
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2014 at 9:30am
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I guess I must have missed the previous debate(s) on this topic. As for New Zealand being the benchmark for fisheries management, even if that is true it still only puts us at the top of a bad pile. Not quite sure how a country that still allows shark finning can be considered the benchmark of anything though...
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Posted By: Mullins
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2014 at 9:52am
| We need to organise a protest. |
Posted By: Geofinz
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2014 at 10:06am
| I think the tallest guy should lead it. |
Posted By: inspearation
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2014 at 2:41pm
Your not wrong but my point is if we can't eat (ie red status) them in New Zealand then the rest of the world is well and truly up the creek. Shark finning is its own issue, the sharks are still part of the quota and are managed. It is an ethical issue.. I'm all for banning it or alternatively making coms take the whole carcass. |
Posted By: long john
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2014 at 6:12pm
------------- Proud member of the Glen Innes Spearfishing Club |
Posted By: case
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2014 at 8:27pm
| I don't like their views on ridding nz of all introduced mammals, and their love of 1080 . As far as tree hugging goes , we are all guilty of that anyway I suspect . |
Posted By: harrison
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2014 at 8:52pm
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Trees are too woody. I prefer to only hug certain strains of bushy herbs and only in moderatiion. ------------- |
Posted By: Diver Dan
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2014 at 8:56pm
Seen this? Good to see Forest and Bird supporting something worthwhile: ------------- Proud member of the Glen Innes Spearfishing Club |
Posted By: Unclejake
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2014 at 9:04pm
Baiting our dear Case isn't really fair DD, but we all suspected LJ was behind it (as that well written article confirms). As the tallest he should lead the protest against himself IMO. It's bound to be well attended by most of his friends and personalities. |
Posted By: case
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2014 at 9:20pm
| they will need more than an armed response team . think Stanley graham bad blood 2. |
Posted By: Diver Dan
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2014 at 9:23pm
I can't help what I read Case... ------------- Proud member of the Glen Innes Spearfishing Club |
Posted By: Geofinz
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2014 at 9:31pm
 Think I saw the same article in the Mangaroa Monitor
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Posted By: long john
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2014 at 9:34pm
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Stanley Graham. Along with Mulgan's Man Alone and Heart of a Lion by whoever about Upham, you pretty much got the romantic kiwi physche sown up. Bring on the 1080 though. Case, used your knife plus japanese 1000/6000 wetstone to try to shave my face just recently. Bloody. Technique needs work evidently ------------- Proud member of the Glen Innes Spearfishing Club |
Posted By: long john
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2014 at 9:38pm
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Posted By: long john
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2014 at 9:41pm
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Not happy. Lost nerve with jawline ------------- Proud member of the Glen Innes Spearfishing Club |
Posted By: Diver Dan
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2014 at 9:42pm
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Now that is funny! I used mine last to take the breasts off a couple of ducks my daughter shot last weekend. No injuries to myself. The duck ragu with papardelle was rather good ------------- Proud member of the Glen Innes Spearfishing Club |
Posted By: case
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2014 at 9:47pm
| ow that looks nasty lj . did you strop it ? I had a cutthroat razor but was too nervous I was going to cut my ear off so gave up. As to you others : may your chickens turn to moas and kick your hen houses down. |
Posted By: long john
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2014 at 9:47pm
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Breasts off daughter killed ducks? Pffft. What I do know is a knife that'll defoliate your arm in one stroke (yes, even your arm) will wilt in the face of facial hair. No comparison. I bled for 12 hours. Straight up ------------- Proud member of the Glen Innes Spearfishing Club |
Posted By: case
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2014 at 9:51pm
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Posted By: Diver Dan
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2014 at 9:52pm
Interesting connection, because the ducks were Mallards ------------- Proud member of the Glen Innes Spearfishing Club |
Posted By: long john
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2014 at 9:52pm
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Stropped with newspaper. I wonder if the edge is just not fine enough though Kolt showed me a dude on youtube who uses a 1000/6000 and shaves with a kitchen knife, an axe, a sword and even a spoon! Consistency of stroke by repetition methinks ------------- Proud member of the Glen Innes Spearfishing Club |
Posted By: Troy Tempest
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2014 at 10:03pm
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Man, winter must have hit hard up north! Look after yourself LJ ... Get a styptik pencil! ------------- ·.¸¸.·´¯'·.¸¸·´¯'·.¸¸.·´¯'·.¸ ><((((º> .¸¸·´¯'·.¸¸.·´¯'·.¸ ><((((º> Just quietly getting on with it... |
Posted By: Geofinz
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2014 at 10:07pm
| You did a nice job on your head though LJ |
Posted By: long john
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2014 at 10:07pm
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yes, 10 degrees overnight in Auckland. Pray for us. ------------- Proud member of the Glen Innes Spearfishing Club |
Posted By: case
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2014 at 10:13pm
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pat, some of the f and b best choice fish were trevs too. now it all ties together. LJ, try gluing some leather or neoprene to a block and strop it with some autosol or something maybe. I cant seem to be able to slice the dropped silk hanky yet either. I notice mine always shave one way better than the other so I figure mine are slightly burred one way or something.
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Posted By: Diver Dan
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2014 at 10:20pm
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I think the list is arse for people who catch their own fish. I mean, jack mackerel and barracouta? Trevs and kingfish are way too high up. ------------- Proud member of the Glen Innes Spearfishing Club |
Posted By: case
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2014 at 10:29pm
| trev mallard dick |
Posted By: Unclejake
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2014 at 10:36pm
I imagine that's the only way an entire marine species actually gets critically endangered by humans: Because they're delicious. I expect this other talk about by-catch is likely just jibber jabber regarding quite small mortality percentages. Artificially propping up a species that isn't capable of sustaining critical mass by natural breeding isn't far off playing god. The difference being that we're playing god this time because we feel guilty, rather than powerful. |
Posted By: TheSnapperWhisperer
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2014 at 10:48pm
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Mmm interesting. Lj, since now we have proof you are behind the 1080, do you think the moas will be susceptible to it? ------------- http://www.facebook.com/TheSnapperWhisperer |
Posted By: bluefox_13
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2014 at 7:46am
Of course they will be susceptible, Trevor, the twig and tweet brigade, and the PR team at DOC will just completely deny it...... ------------- Yes its cold... no I dont care that you feel the cold easily... no we can't get out.... |
Posted By: Diver Dan
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2014 at 9:07am
Ha ha! I wouldn't ever do anything to ruin your paradise Case! ------------- Proud member of the Glen Innes Spearfishing Club |
Posted By: Mullins
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2014 at 9:55am
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Posted By: Tagit
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2014 at 10:04am
Interesting article. Haven't the 1080 guys (especially DOC) been denying for years that 1080 is used to control deer numbers because it is an inhumane way to kill large animals? Maybe this is a new formula. 1081 or something
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Posted By: Kinabal Lector
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2014 at 11:37am
Im a landowner on a few blocks and the HB regional council pushed us into 1080. Well that was the end of our wild sheep and the earliest marino heard in the country. My cousins also reported dead falcons and when I rang them asking for a withholding period on eating wild animals their reply was "we don't know" so obviously consume at own unknown risk. I asked when can I eat eels etc. They said oh don't worry 1080 breaks down when water gets over 16 deg. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm what mountain stream does that. But hey for the most part forest and bird on our side |
Posted By: Tagit
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2014 at 11:57am
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So if you decided you were overstocked and dropped a bucket of 1080 in a paddock to kill off a few 100 excess sheep so they could be easily removed and buried, would that be OK, or would you get prosecuted? I am all for getting rid of Possums, but the bureaucratic attitude to collateral damage is just shocking. It is pretty much a case study for our public service here in NZ - 'as long as I follows the rules (be they stupid or not) I will be OK regardless of what damage I cause'. You see it with every public service you deal with. I don't know how many times I have heard "I know it's wrong, but that's the rule". Trouble is that no one can change the rules without a room full or lawyers and a public inquiry. How the hell did we end up like this?
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Posted By: Mullins
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2014 at 12:20pm
| If collateral damage was limited to introduced mammals (large or small) then they wouldn't be too upset given they're all 'pests' from an environmental perspective. Killing native birds is another matter though and I don't know what those mortality rates are like. |
Posted By: Diver Dan
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2014 at 12:35pm
All the scientific evidence I have seen (as opposed to anecdotal evidence which may or may not be reliable) suggests that most bird, lizard and invertebrate life are not at risk from 1080, and the loss of predators and huge increase in breeding success more than make up for any "collateral damage". Bats are not at risk. ------------- Proud member of the Glen Innes Spearfishing Club |
Posted By: Mullins
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2014 at 1:38pm
Scale and complexity I reckon. Today's societies are larger and vastly more complicated than those of a few decades ago with a knottier set of concerns. Makes it very difficult to set common rules that deal with policy-level issues while also appearing to make sense at a local level. Bearing in mind most of the folk exposed to the local level effects are naturally self-interested and don't get to see the big picture. This means many in the public sector just see that particular kind of criticism ("OMG it's bureaucracy gone wild, dissociated from reality") as coming with the territory.
We've also got some deep rooted societal inconsistencies, treatment of animals being one, which policy decisions have a tendency to expose. Of course, sometimes it is still just a big cockup.
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Posted By: inspearation
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2014 at 1:40pm
| 1080 isn't that bad.... but it isn't that good either. IMHO its the easy way out and in areas that are accessible trapping is a preferable option. More jobs, and a useful commodity gained |
Posted By: Tagit
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2014 at 2:00pm
| Mullins, you are right of course, but underneath all this there has developed a huge 'cover my ass' doctrine were the core end goal is ignored in preference to not making any decision that hasn't already been made for you. I have 2 year long paper trails of correspondence from a govt department that I deal with regularly, where they repeatedly avoided answering my questions about some potential public safety issues related to a new business venture, and associated with certain legislation, by replying with links to either semi-relevant, or irrelevant, sections of the appropriate acts. Even where the legislation appears to contradict their existing actions, they just either ignore the correspondence or send more links to more irrelevancies. These are the people that are responsible for public safety in this particular 'area' and their response is more or less - go and do it, and if something goes wrong we will see if we can prosecute. Then we will know what the legislation we wrote really means. In other words, any safety issues are secondary to the legal risk of actually making a public statement about the correct interpretation of our own legislation. Trouble is, complain too hard, escalate to a minister etc, and tomorrow you will still be dealing with the same people, but they will not 'be happy' with you. This is our public 'service' at work, and it is wrong. It is not about the individual people, but the whole culture that we have let develop. |
Posted By: e.m.p!
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2014 at 11:34pm
^ agree. With both of you. Now can we talk about that snapper quota again? New Zealanders only want to talk about snapper…
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