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Notice your kerb sides  brown often near on 1/2 m on the grass?

Why?
Cause so called regist sprayers/ users abuse how to use and tax payer/ rate payers pay them to do so.

R/up or whatever brand you choose is still effective in near on all applications at 50 or 75%
Spray nozzels and the handling /setting of them need to be directed .. eg in the case of kerbs, only spray weeds that are on the concrete curb..25mm only allowed into the grass.
Similar use with other applications
And then there is spraying.. again classic example , in open sight of the public.. kerbs...on windy days.

When comes to bees, spray before weeds go to flower.. not as a recommendation.. as a regulation. ppl just have to be a bit more organised in their time.

As with so many of things like this.. it is open abuse of the product/chemical rather than the use of it that causes issues. Then the extremists come along and want to simply ban everything without thinking thru.

Have uses g/suphate since dalphan (think it was) , was banned.
AND always use with narrow directional nozzels, which make low concentrations very effective

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Originally posted by smudge smudge wrote:

Can't say I disagree with the statement that glyphosate residue is bad. I'm sure that good old NZ isn't the only place to have sprayed glyphosate all over the place. Monsanto wouldn't be able to pay out billions if it all happened here so it is pretty safe to say it is a widespread problem.
 
I've used the stuff myself on my reasonably clean green lifestyle block. Not ideal but 20 years ago I didn't know any better, but I still use it.
Who else uses it?
 
On the TV last night, there was a spokesman for a honey product stating they test every batch for glyphosphate, and it is is clear from the areas of sprayed gorse surrounding some manuka blocks that this is where its coming from. (i.e. the gorse spray).
 
Umm, round up does not kill gorse... any farmer knows that, this is blatent lies, and no one challenges it.
Why choose either diving or fishing when you can do both. Besides crayfish tail is very good bait!!
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Umm, round up does not kill gorse... any farmer knows that, this is blatent lies, and no one challenges it.

glyphosate does kill gorse..it is a general non selective weed killer.. the stuff it doesnt kill is a lot of tuberous type plants.. once tubers start to form.. eg iris, beogina etc.
 Thu for gorse it needs to be in full active growth, which is pre flowering...
So yes correct it may have been sprayed with round up...
In contravention of recommend method and use to have it effect hives...

In saying that, it is triclopyr/picloram type mixes ( selective broadleaf) type spray that is the norm for gorse

 Which if sprayed on your lawns and no drift at approx 50 to 75% recommend dose will eliminate all your lawn weeds, from prickles thru to daises, cats ear, etc...
And should be done now, with a spot touch up in spring and again just before Xmas. Wink


 Back to subject thu.

Umm, round up does not kill gorse... any farmer knows that, this is blatent lies, and no one challenges it.

Is in essence correct

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Concentrated Round Up sprayed on gorse at when it is actively growing does kill it. not the most effective and I think most farmers would use something else
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Spent alot of time spraying gorse on the farm as a young fella. Ended up with cancer at 37. Go figure.
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Originally posted by smudge smudge wrote:

Concentrated Round Up sprayed on gorse at when it is actively growing does kill it. not the most effective and I think most farmers would use something else
in happy to stand corrected. Although i've never heard of a single person using round up to kill gorse until today. I've cleared my fair share of gorse to 14ft tall primarily with scrub cutter or chain saw and spraying stumps with concentrated associate. Then twice a year hitting new growth with a watered down mix if the same spray. Cant be good for you. I was told it's like the old 24D. Nasty stuff. Both gorse and the stuff needed to kill it.
Why choose either diving or fishing when you can do both. Besides crayfish tail is very good bait!!
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It's certainly not the most effective on gorse CrayZfish. It's ok on young gorse though
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For blackberry or gorse I use Glyphosate and Escort together mixed with a good helping of detergent...Mix up a good brew of about 400 litres for tractor sprayer. I cannot remember having to go back and respray. I have no weeds to speak of on the farm now.
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Sry guys.. aso often ?I refer to ppl should read the instruction manuals on boatsa , motors etc...
And now things like weed sprays..
Glyphosate as mentioned previously, is not designed for gorse or blackberry etc..it is a general weed killer yes, kills most stuff yes.. but on plants will small leaf like gorse / broom etc , high concentrations are need because of the small leaf surface..
There is another issue, espec on normal leaved plants, go to high and it may kill the top growth before can be transferred to root growth , and then plant can re sprout next season..

This thread started because of high  Glyphosate levels in honey...which is caused by using over concentrated product and using in fast growth season , and thats usually late  during flowering...

Gorse, blackberry, broom etc require different weed killers designed for those plants.

 Correctly used we would not see issues  with weed killers in foods etc at the levels we do.
No would we see side effects on users as much as we do..
 We so often blame a system or product rather than look closer and blame the mis use of the product(s)

Some ok no gorse now.. great, but could have done it cheaper , easier, less cross contamination, in the right season of growth and more effective using the correct products..



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Suspect it is just the greenies causing mischief.
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Originally posted by Schampy Schampy wrote:

Spent alot of time spraying gorse on the farm as a young fella. Ended up with cancer at 37. Go figure.

I sympathise with your diagnosis and hope you have made a full recovery. It's really hard to isolate any one cause for cancer, even when there are clear risk factors (pesticide exposure). That's how the tobacco companies were able to muddy the waters for so long. 


Glyphosphate is certainly broken down by soil bacteria, but obviously not always in a timely fashion. Half lifes in soil vary widely according to conditions. Then different crops take it up in different amounts, and people get exposed to it in different ways. 
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Originally posted by Mr Moritz Mr Moritz wrote:

For blackberry or gorse I use Glyphosate and Escort together mixed with a good helping of detergent...Mix up a good brew of about 400 litres for tractor sprayer. I cannot remember having to go back and respray. I have no weeds to speak of on the farm now.

Escort loves the plants on  neighboring properties if the slightest of wind /breeze/current around.
Have used and still do use Roundup, Glyphosate for years, never had a problem.
Now Tordon was an other issue altogether.  Tordon can affect your blood liver ect. Do not believe reps ect. Had one rep many years back say Tordon was so safe you could actually drink it, without hesitation I offered him a cup. Many others helicopter pilots /ground workers ect have been affected . Not all, but a lot have. Thistle dust, another baddy we used 45years back thrown into the wind it would kill thistles ks away. All of these products can affect us in some way, they are after all designed to kill..
New Plymouth way a few years back those just living around, I think it was a Monsanto factory were being affected. 
To finish so many today living in the vicinity of Kiwi fruit  farms can be affected by the number of different sprays used, Hi-cane is not a good one. We are all different and can be affected by small or large lots. I killed all of the wife's house plants one day after spraying just by nipping inside for a glass of water. Think about this before you want to kill me . Tobacco company's tell you their product is safe also.  
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We used to grow produce on our farm (ex kiwifruit farm), till turners started importing cheap produce from Aussie. We were dropping boxes produce off at turners and there was a tomato grower there bawling his eyes out. He had just brought in his crop of tomatoes and turners told him he would be getting next to nothing for them. He was sobbing to us, he would be unable to buy any Xmas presents for his kids. Price we got for our produce didn't even cover the price we had paid for the carton it was in. Gave up after that. But no, nearest horticulture places are many miles away from our place.. These days just use Escort dry, sprinkle a few granules on a hard to kill small plant and let the rain do the rest..
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Originally posted by corosanta corosanta wrote:

Suspect it is just the greenies causing mischief.


 If the wrong chemicals are used and/ or the wrong soln strengths, and wrong spray nozzles etc, on windy days...
 They have a very good clam.
 Just cause they are greenies dosent always make them wrong.

I would hazard to even say a lot of modern onto it farmers tend to be 'greenies' they way they plant out creek sides etc and other stuff.
 Im no greenie, but do compost, recycle and all that sort of stuff. Only a few yrs ago that would have made me, and most of us full on greenies.
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Originally posted by Steps Steps wrote:

Originally posted by corosanta corosanta wrote:

Suspect it is just the greenies causing mischief.


 If the wrong chemicals are used and/ or the wrong soln strengths, and wrong spray nozzles etc, on windy days...
 They have a very good clam.
 Just cause they are greenies dosent always make them wrong.

I would hazard to even say a lot of modern onto it farmers tend to be 'greenies' they way they plant out creek sides etc and other stuff.
 Im no greenie, but do compost, recycle and all that sort of stuff. Only a few yrs ago that would have made me, and most of us full on greenies.


Been farming since 1963. Sold Roundup when I was a store manager for a large company when it first came out.
Just saying....
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Originally posted by Steps Steps wrote:

Originally posted by corosanta corosanta wrote:

Suspect it is just the greenies causing mischief.


 If the wrong chemicals are used and/ or the wrong soln strengths, and wrong spray nozzles etc, on windy days...
 They have a very good clam.
 Just cause they are greenies dosent always make them wrong.

I would hazard to even say a lot of modern onto it farmers tend to be 'greenies' they way they plant out creek sides etc and other stuff.
 Im no greenie, but do compost, recycle and all that sort of stuff. Only a few yrs ago that would have made me, and most of us full on greenies.
Yester- years greenie's, were the old Lands and survey. They planted many conservation areas for perpetuity . On came the younger generation farmers who cut /destroyed what the conservation dept spent mega bucks doing. Yes that included creek sides, ect, so no way could erosion of these areas escalate. Along came the younger farmers who literary hate trees ect destroyed that work.
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I’m a greenie and not causing mischief, just saying.

I understand the herbicide companies don’t just recommend spraying spuds to kill off for harvest but also the miles of wheat fields get sprayed so the heads are all consistently dry for ease of harvesting.
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This stuff gets into our food. Potatoes and wheat among many examples. And glyphosphate is only one of many toxic chemicals used in mono culture crop production. Research has shown glyphosphate can harm gut bacteria which in turn effects our ability to absorb  
vitamins and other nutrients.
Solution ,grow your own or buy genuine certified organic product.
Organically grown potatoes are tastier,denser. Just seem to have more substance and dont cost much more.
Same for wheat. Easy to avoid if you try. Its found in most processed food and most breads.
 
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all that being said regulatory bodies around the world say it’s safe at the trace levels found in food.  Everyone freaked about the honey but missed the point that a child would need to eat hundreds of kgs per day of the honey to have any chance of a toxic effect. It’s more a bad look from an export marketing perspective than anything else.  If we were forced to farm the way we used to we’d all starve to death.  Productivity gains from things like glyphosphate have been huge.
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All the regulatory bodies around the world say it's safe, hahahahaha like that means anything. Have a look at the stuff the FDA is saying is safe.
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