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I signed a petition calling for a ban on cockle gathering at Cockle Bay near Howick - which gets absolutely pillaged by people with no concept of limits, or sustainability - and I support the bans in force at Eastern Beach and other spots. So it would be hypocritical of me to have an issue with a rahui around the Waiheke foreshore, just because it's not the area i grew up in.

Hopefully those who enjoy a bit of scalloping or dive for the odd cray in those areas have other spots up their sleeves.

I believe the explosion of pressure on the foreshore ecosystems as the city's population grows needs to be responded to - some people will strip anything they can get their hands on, with all sorts of consequences as species disappear out of the food chain.
if we didn't have bag limits for fin fish, or netting regulations, I believe the same thing would happen...

Hopefully plans to re-generate the mussel beds that used to exist in the Waitemata work too. 

It's crazy to think of the commercial plundering that went on until the '60s, from whaling, to mussel dredging in the inshore areas off Auckland. 
I'd like to think we can turn things around with the shellfish, like we have done with whales. And surely the overall fishery will benefit to some degree?



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it's about time, even other spots like Coro, thames side....
could have included Kina too...

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Kina have generally been going fine. More than fine even. The others on that list are stuffed.
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yeah seems like the right thing to do - but who knows how much the decline has been a result of over-fishing/rising popn (which no doubt is some of the influence on the fishery) and how much can be attributed to changing land-use - run-off/silt etc - which if not addressed may mean the biodiversity continues to collapse despite the no-take zone being in place
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OK - so why does it take Iwi to introduce a rahui to fix it? What happened to MPI?
Asleep at the wheel again? How much science is behind a rahui. Not suggesting it is wrong, but to me it seems the process is wrong. Why are we employing MPI? Why restrict rahui to Maori If we see depletion, why can't we stop it?
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Totally support this, but agree its a shame that it takes a community action or cultural mussel to introduce or force what is seems to be an obvious and generally well supported action. 
Anyway I support the outcome and good for the IWI if they achieve it. 
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Originally posted by Alan L Alan L wrote:

OK - so why does it take Iwi to introduce a rahui to fix it? What happened to MPI?
Asleep at the wheel again? How much science is behind a rahui. Not suggesting it is wrong, but to me it seems the process is wrong. Why are we employing MPI? Why restrict rahui to Maori If we see depletion, why can't we stop it?
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Well, if the Cockle Bay situation is anything to go by, the govt authorities seemed extremely reluctant to act - despite the sight of dozens (that's not an exaggeration) of people going out at low tide with plastic bags and filling them up with their limit of cockles. Day after day for the whole of the open season - which lasts for months.

I'm sure there's all kinds of best practise in their protocols requiring absolute scientific proof to show a decline in the shellfish beds over time, but common sense would suggest that kind of pressure can't be sustained for any period of time.

I agree with the point above that run off, silting etc is also to blame, but at least a rahui means the shellfish etc that does survive that doesn't end up in a pot of boiling water. 
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I find this very interesting, so please tell me if I understand it correctly.
With the IWI placing a Rahui, effectively today it becomes an insensitive but not illegal act to gather the subject species, so gathering is not poaching yet.
Once spineless MPI place a statutory ban into law then it becomes an illegal act and gathering becomes poaching? 
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It is very slippery slope from rahui's for banning taking shellfish to coercing people into one race's point of view. I agree with the intention but do not agree with who is doing it.
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In general I'm supportive of no take zones provided there is still somewhere for recreational fisherman to go in the area. Instinctively, not too comfortable with the way things have gone in Waiheke, but if it gets backing from MPI then OK I suppose. My concern is that I could see the spineless government/MPI simply rubber stamping Iwi decrees in the future. 
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Originally posted by dontpanic dontpanic wrote:

I find this very interesting, so please tell me if I understand it correctly.
With the IWI placing a Rahui, effectively today it becomes an insensitive but not illegal act to gather the subject species, so gathering is not poaching yet.
Once spineless MPI place a statutory ban into law then it becomes an illegal act and gathering becomes poaching? 

Yes, according to the article.
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How is it going to be enforced? Are we talking public beatings or have the local iwi set up there own fines system say payable at the onetangi pub. Until MPI do something I don't see many people complying with this no matter how much it's needed
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My understanding is, and haven't yet read article - they apply to get it put into law by MPI. At which point I guess MPI will enforce it.
My point is , if MPI are prepared to endorse it and make it a legal ban...........why didn't they do something in the first place. Basically it is saying Iwi know better than MPI as far a local fishery management goes.
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Definitely a cart before the horse situation, please excuse my following speculation but if this is the way governance works now, I could imagine MPI might approach IWI to place a Rahui so that they can enforce a statutory restriction because its the easier, cheaper and more certain method to getting restrictions into law.
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Good idea for these specific species, but it possibly gives the wrong message saying it's a rahui. Not enough buy in
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Originally posted by MB MB wrote:

In general I'm supportive of no take zones provided there is still somewhere for recreational fisherman to go in the area. Instinctively, not too comfortable with the way things have gone in Waiheke, but if it gets backing from MPI then OK I suppose. My concern is that I could see the spineless government/MPI simply rubber stamping Iwi decrees in the future. 

What do you mean in the future?
MPI have been rubber stamping these things for years.
Nothing new there.
My question is, is it for everyone or do New Zealanders of Maori descent still have access?
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Originally posted by v8-coupe v8-coupe wrote:

May question is, is it for everyone or do New Zealanders of Maori descent still have access?

That is an important question. If recreational take is banned, but customary take continues that would be an outrage. Haven't heard anything to that effect though.
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