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Issue here is 7 legal fish landed does not indicate number of fish killed and discarded.  A bait fisherman,using large hooks and bait  can easily and often will gut hook a smaller than legal fish.  How many 27-29.5 cm snapper are returned dead or dying. Lots i imagine. The same fisherman can then continue to land and keep his 7 legal fish. So kill rate will be ,in many cases be greater than 7. The bag limit becomes  meaningless in this situation and does not reflect the true numbers taken
Perhaps time to remove the size limits. 7 fish regardless of size. If you kill that fish then make it mandatory to keep it as part of the 7 .
Why the focus on size limits that focus on killing off the larger more productive breeding fish.
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Originally posted by cirrus cirrus wrote:

Issue here is 7 legal fish landed does not indicate number of fish killed and discarded.  A bait fisherman,using large hooks and bait  can easily and often will gut hook a smaller than legal fish.  How many 27-29.5 cm snapper are returned dead or dying. Lots i imagine. The same fisherman can then continue to land and keep his 7 legal fish. So kill rate will be ,in many cases be greater than 7. The bag limit becomes  meaningless in this situation and does not reflect the true numbers taken
Perhaps time to remove the size limits. 7 fish regardless of size. If you kill that fish then make it mandatory to keep it as part of the 7 .
Why the focus on size limits that focus on killing off the larger more productive fish.

And police it how?
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Police anything how? It's not Florida, it's NZ. There is precious little enforcement of anything anywhere. I'm guessing popular boat ramps in Auckland may be the exception. Far North beach launching? Do what you like. It's the wild west.
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Originally posted by MB MB wrote:

Police anything how? It's not Florida, it's NZ. There is precious little enforcement of anything anywhere. I'm guessing popular boat ramps in Auckland may be the exception. Far North beach launching? Do what you like. It's the wild west.
been 3 times recently and met at ramp by fisheries.play the game no problem
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It would be policed by a persons conscience. A moral view as to right or wrong .  Freedom of choice comes into play. Between those who care for the fish and fishery and those who dont.  Personally, it is  sad to throw back a perfectly good table fish that is dead or dying. A waste of food,an insult to a fish that has died for nothing.  
And where is the science behind size limits.  Ive yet to see it.

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PCJ, do you propose all ramps, rocky points, beaches and anywhere else, sea fishing goes on are monitored 24 hours a day? Because without that, the system will always be abused by some.

In last 10 years, I've been checked once. So as I say and Cirrus above says in a different way, it's education. Make it culturally unacceptable behavior. It then becomes self policing. That will take time. Just like no one wore seatbelts, now they do.

However I still don't think someone taking 7 fish is unreasonable (or 10 on the West coast), if they only fish a couple times of year. I do agree it should be first 7 caught.

Cirrus, I believe size limits are based on the fact, once they reach legal limit they are old enough to have bred at least once. I do like the idea of that. I think that there should be a penalty system, where if you catch a smaller fish you keep it but your limit reduces by one per small fish. This would  encourage people to catch fish that have bred at least once. However it simply wouldn't work because most would highgrade. So in realty I'm not sure what the best system for the fishery is.
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I tend to agree with kimber7swm.

I have been checked on by Fisheries Officers a few times. Once on the sea when we had rods in a position that could have looked like we were fishing and we happened to be in a new ish (at the time) marine reserve. (good on them - they approached us with appropriate consideration and could see we were OK once they had stopped for a chat).  

Another couple of times each at Stanmore Bay and Gulf Harbour ramp, and I've also been waved through a Fisheries check point on Whangaparaoa Rd. where they would have seen everyone from the eastern end of the peninsula (Army Bay, Okoromai, Shakespeare, Gulf Harbour).

Also checked in the By of Islands a couple of times too.  (Sheesh - from reading the above it sounds like I am a Fisheries officer magnet ... )
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Originally posted by kimber7wsm kimber7wsm wrote:

PCJ, do you propose all ramps, rocky points, beaches and anywhere else, sea fishing goes on are monitored 24 hours a day? Because without that, the system will always be abused by some.

In last 10 years, I've been checked once. So as I say and Cirrus above says in a different way, it's education. Make it culturally unacceptable behavior. It then becomes self policing. That will take time. Just like no one wore seatbelts, now they do.

However I still don't think someone taking 7 fish is unreasonable (or 10 on the West coast), if they only fish a couple times of year. I do agree it should be first 7 caught.

Cirrus, I believe size limits are based on the fact, once they reach legal limit they are old enough to have bred at least once. I do like the idea of that. I think that there should be a penalty system, where if you catch a smaller fish you keep it but your limit reduces by one per small fish. This would  encourage people to catch fish that have bred at least once. However it simply wouldn't work because most would highgrade. So in realty I'm not sure what the best system for the fishery is.
Play by the rules and expect to be checked. Would like to a app like comms have,area,released dead or alive and catch. But recs would just B/S it so waste of time. Nobody knows recs true release dead or alive discards.
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I see on tv 1 news the hpa come into effect next yr and comm fishing will be allowed, Is "legasea" going to mount a legal challenge or just bow down saying we made submissions. Almost guarantee Aussies wouldnt roll over and lay down
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Originally posted by Pcj Pcj wrote:

I see on tv 1 news the hpa come into effect next yr and comm fishing will be allowed, Is "legasea" going to mount a legal challenge or just bow down saying we made submissions. Almost guarantee Aussies wouldnt roll over and lay down

I saw that report, didn't seem to make sense.  They said that the comms took hardly any fish from those areas anyway, but if that 's the case why are they so keen to keep them open to them?
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Originally posted by Kevin.S Kevin.S wrote:

Originally posted by Pcj Pcj wrote:

I see on tv 1 news the hpa come into effect next yr and comm fishing will be allowed, Is "legasea" going to mount a legal challenge or just bow down saying we made submissions. Almost guarantee Aussies wouldnt roll over and lay down

I saw that report, didn't seem to make sense.  They said that the comms took hardly any fish from those areas anyway, but if that 's the case why are they so keen to keep them open to them?
Thinking they target those areas in May/June when the Kahawai are about,why else would ring net?
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Shaun Lee asked through the oia what was proposed for HPA areas.


Worth a read 
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Thanks for posting Pcj, makes interesting reading
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Should be read in conjuction with this piece, seems we're not the only ones who think Legasea is misleading their supporters.

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That was an interesting read Tzer.  I agree with most of the fish management concepts but not necessarily with the implementation measures.  The second to last paragraph concerns me, strike though and text colour added:

" ... We understand and respect that Māori have the right as partners (under the Treaty of Waitangi) to maintain access to their local hunting and gathering areas. We think it's important they get to assert those rights early on in Marine Spatial Planning processes as is hopefully occurring with the proposed MPA’s, HPA’s and SPA’s. However the customary take policy within HPA’s is going to need to be carefully thought out, managed and monitored if this concept is going to minimise the risks outlined above. One solution could be that the mana whenua within the region are compensated for their loss by having their catch limits in fished areas increased or some other way that iwi might suggest. ..."

Shaun Lee has his agenda / propaganda and other groups / individuals have theirs.
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Every single race/culture in the world since time began has fished either fresh or salt water. Even those evil colonizers after fist arriving fished for survival. Fish are a naturally occurring regenerating resource found in a natural substance called sea or fresh water.
How can someone//culture have more rights to harvest that naturally recurring/regenerating resource over another. They cannot and should not have those rights. Does not matter who was here first. The fish were here before man and will probably be here well after man has gone. Hopefully. Look after the resource for sure. Divy it up based on ethnicity. No.
I have fished up and down both Islands since my parents gave me my first (plastic rod/reel) when I was five.
That was 60 odd years ago.
I believe it is my cultural right/practice as a born and bred NZer to fish NZ waters as the equal of any person here.
However, through and accident of birth where I have absolutely no Maori ancestry, not even a smidgen, I am to be discriminated against because of my ancestry.
There is a word for that.
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I don't think anyone should be happy about this. Dead fish washing ashore along with nets and potentially fuel?

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this the exact location of proposed marine reserve that the government wants to allow ring net fishing in? You couldn't write this !


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Originally posted by Pcj Pcj wrote:

This will make some of you happy..
I don't believe any normal people like to see a boat sink and potentially lives endangered irrespective of their views of trawling in the Gulf. In this case it's a double whammy as clearly a large quantity of fish wasted so a total cock-up all round.
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Bit of a cock up day,trawler sinks,OBC has a fire and Launch runs aground end of Whangaparoa
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