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anyone seen any recreational  trawlers out there lately
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Originally posted by cirrus cirrus wrote:

anyone seen any recreational  trawlers out there lately
Wheres your "fishfight" buddies now?

Why have I not read or seen anything from "Legasea" opposing it?? Because those who will be fishing the area is "Moana fisheries" and who owns Moana?
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Originally posted by Pcj Pcj wrote:

Originally posted by cirrus cirrus wrote:

anyone seen any recreational  trawlers out there lately
Wheres your "fishfight" buddies now?

Why have I not read or seen anything from "Legasea" opposing it?? Because those who will be fishing the area is "Moana fisheries" and who owns Moana?

Surely you are not suggesting preferential treatment based on ancestry. 😉
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Originally posted by v8-coupe v8-coupe wrote:

Originally posted by Pcj Pcj wrote:

Originally posted by cirrus cirrus wrote:

anyone seen any recreational  trawlers out there lately
Wheres your "fishfight" buddies now?

Why have I not read or seen anything from "Legasea" opposing it?? Because those who will be fishing the area is "Moana fisheries" and who owns Moana?

Surely you are not suggesting preferential treatment based on ancestry. 😉
Most certainly are. Waitangi claim etc?  Evcerytime there is black marketing by maori why does Legasea choose not post or discuss poachers but qwuick to post about a trawl;er straying in to a non fishing area?  
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Well,seems no one has seen a recreational trawler. So can only assume they must be commercial. Do we want those in gulf. No.  Let them chase hoki instead,,or orange roughy,oh wait that fishery has collapsed. wonder how that happened.
As for the gulf. Large numbers of undersize ,small snapper, less larger ones. Looking at overseas trends  that is a sign of a fishery entering collapse mode. do we want that.
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Originally posted by cirrus cirrus wrote:

Well,seems no one has seen a recreational trawler. So can only assume they must be commercial. Do we want those in gulf. No.  Let them chase hoki instead,,or orange roughy,oh wait that fishery has collapsed. wonder how that happened.
As for the gulf. Large numbers of undersize ,small snapper, less larger ones. Looking at overseas trends  that is a sign of a fishery entering collapse mode. do we want that.

It's all those pesky recreational orange roughy fishermen who have depleted stocks!
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Oh look anopther cynical one, large numbers of small snapper would suggest that theres good recruitment coming through and the only thing entering a state of collapse if you ability to catch any decent snapper.
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Good article in the Herald today, don't know how to attach. Some scientists are studying the sea floor of the HG to see the damage done from trawling and the connection to releasing carbon. Well worth a read and seems to be a non biased international study.

Id be happy to pay a license and stop fishing for a few years if the money was to go to a recognized group of scientists to find out the real deal here. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be much interest from many in sacrificing anything. Going out and killing 7 prime snapper right on spawning season doesn't sound like a good idea to me  but nether does trawling in the Hauraki Gulf, yet both will continue. Its a real shame more people aren't genuinely interested. The HG is the only good thing about Auckland.     
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Originally posted by cirrus cirrus wrote:

Well,seems no one has seen a recreational trawler. So can only assume they must be commercial. Do we want those in gulf. No.  Let them chase hoki instead,,or orange roughy,oh wait that fishery has collapsed. wonder how that happened.
As for the gulf. Large numbers of undersize ,small snapper, less larger ones. Looking at overseas trends  that is a sign of a fishery entering collapse mode. do we want that.
According to a niwa report,reccs take 3 x more fish from the gulf  than comms. According to "Grunta" 200k fish the gulf.You do the maths.
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To do the maths you'd need to understand the variables Paul - one of those being average bag per angler per trip and another frequency so your post doesn't make much sense. 
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9.45am this The PM was on newstalkzb. 18%to become reserves.hpa under 6 m vessels can fish targeting 3 species at certines of the yr.now not sure if it's kilos or tonnes 11000 down to 8000 take.
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I'm following this story, so thanks for the update Pcj.
As for another question raised above, should spawning snapper be protected from fishing? It's a scientific question, and we'd need good data to decide, but I'd say yes.

The Victorian Fisheries Authority, funded by anglers' license fees, posted research indicating that the most vital snapper breeding stage there is the larval stage. Regardless of egg volume, the larvae need optimal nutrient levels and temperatures of 18–22°C to develop. Droughts reduce nutrient flows from rivers, dramatically impacting larvae during this crucial stage.

It would be great to see NZ research on snapper spawning. Western Australia have strict bans during snapper spawning, but New Zealand's fishing policy appears influenced behind closed doors, by business interests and pressure groups, and God bless the pressure groups. 





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A fish killed 3 months prior to spawning is no more able to reproduce than a fish killed during spawning. If the assertion is that snapper are particularly easy to catch during spawning because they are congregated in a small area, then some protection makes sense. However, this would ruffle some feathers in my own back yard (Whangarei Harbour). Many people only fish during the summer months and stay in the relative protection of the harbour because they have small boats and likely these days, can't afford to use too much fuel. Personally, I don't enjoy harbour fishing or using bait/burley very much, but I'm not about to preach to some old timer that they can't go fishing in a relatively safe environment at the "best" time of year. 
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You raise interesting point about fish or not in spawning.

Legasea have no issue to fish in spawning.

When is spawning?water temp hits +18c now they can spawn more than once in right conditions.

When do snapper start to produce roe/milt?

We have caught snapper in September and have had a bit of roe starting to form. 

So do we say no snapper fishing. September to April?

If snapper disperse roe/milt around Little Barrier and next day we get 3 hard days of easterly,how much has survived or it washed ashore?

Hers a interesting fact I recently found out. Longliners are not best practice of sustainable fishing.  Longline requires bait from netting. Have the largest bycatch of protected species.
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'So do we say no snapper fishing. September to April?'
I have no idea what the best answers are for NZ, but it's surely worth looking to our neighbors  snapper management, it's the same fish, to consider what works.
In some areas of Western Australia there is no snapper fishing for half the year.
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It's virtually impossible not to catch snapper though. Admittedly, they could be released, but the average standard of fish handling is very low in my opinion and then there is the barotrauma issue. 
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MB, is right. Any dead fish will never breed again. It doesn't matter when it was caught. Science based catch limits are the answer. My issue with trawling is bottom damage. It destroys habitat.
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I think we can agree doing nothing is not the answer. But that's all this country ever does.

Reduce catch limits effective immediately -4 snaps per person. Limit of 12 snaps per vessel regardless of size or people?

Close Hauraki Gulf - Nov - Feb. Req and coms?

Close Hauraki Gulf year on year off Req and coms?

Introduce license to pay for proper scientific research and enforcement of new rules.

Any number of things could be done but nobody wants to lead the way. Req fishing definitely needs a better representation considering the money it generates. I spent $300 at marine deals yesterday on nothing.
Whats really frustrating is the leftey greeny government was in power for 6 years and couldn't even get cameras on boats....... Clarky was to busy moving houses instead of telling his mrs what to do.

Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of madness



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What about the person  who can only go fishing once a year. I think 7 is reasonable for them. People who fish weekly should be keeping less than limit. I think it's an education thing. Close one area all you do is put more pressure on another.
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Originally posted by kimber7wsm kimber7wsm wrote:

What about the person  who can only go fishing once a year. I think 7 is reasonable for them. People who fish weekly should be keeping less than limit. I think it's an education thing. Close one area all you do is put more pressure on another.
And do you propose its monitored?  Bit like high grading,it goes on
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