Cirrius.its the lucky country alright.they have a moan and just get on with it.unlike us kiwis keep in flogging a dead horse keep moaning how uts everyone's else's fault.been here 2 ir 3 other times and the Aussies just get on with it.perhaps us kiwis need to do the same.just make the best if what we gave.having said that no notciable anti social behavior graffiti etc or wearing bandanas,been up to our depot over here and totally different work ethics do the job or there's that gate

Every time I see cheap price meat or produce anywhere, I think "there's some farmer who just got screwed"
I mean, I still buy it, but with just a twinge of conscience.

pjc wrote: Cirrius.its the lucky country alright.they have a moan and just get on with it.unlike us kiwis keep in flogging a dead horse keep moaning how uts everyone's else's fault.been here 2 ir 3 other times and the Aussies just get on with it.perhaps us kiwis need to do the same.just make the best if what we gave.having said that no notciable anti social behavior graffiti etc or wearing bandanas,been up to our depot over here and totally different work ethics do the job or there's that gate

You are right .It is the lucky country. They even smile over there. Quite remarkable really.
But remember their wages are much higher than here,so their leg of lamb is really cheaper than here.
But we must stop moaning. Quite correct. Just need to bury our heads a little deeper in the sand and keep very still.
Woopie. Just learned. No more tariffs on fish or seafood product exports. Let the plunder increase ,industry boom dollars come rolling in. Let us all be happy and look forward to the Day after tomorrow.
And no more whinging about our snapper. Why hadnt i seen it before. Life is so easy without whinging. Who needs it. And time had shown --While recreational talk snapper walk.

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We'll see when your solo bubble pops. Corporations now have the right to sue governments and rewrite laws if anything affects their profits. This includes making it illegal to grow your own food, collect your own rain water or produce your own power, even medicate yourself. You may think that is way out, but this is already the case in the United State of consumer numbness; these are already illegal acts in some states. Corporate profit crazed madness. But's all Ok if you don't see any harm for yourself in your self induced bubble. Statutes of Liberty? We are

. When one sees a train rumbling down the track ,headlights glaring ,horn wailing then personally i like to see it coming and step clear and hope others do the same.
When Tppa arrived evil entered the room by the back steps without creaking .
And yes i tend to agree it is better to be inside a trade agreement than outside of it--maybe.
But at what cost.
When we have a situation where corporate companies can sue governments,then one must ask who then rules. And at that point the ideal of democratic sovereign governments ceases to exist,other than in name only.
Yes there may be a few advantages we are sold. But disadvantages are far greater.
We now have a continuing of the situation where foreign buyers can buy our country.Already happening ,but will increase. Under Tppa they will achieve what they failed to achieve by war.
Instead they will own this nation by economic means.
Perhaps we should all Spare a thought for the young people of N.Z. Especially the young couple with two or three children, at the lower end of the pay scale, havent had a wage increase in years,scrimp and save for that deposit for their own home. Then they find their deposit has devalued by the worlds fastest rising house prices ,and are out bid by the man with the printed funny money from overseas. How do these people feel . They feel angry and disenfranchised in their own country. And so will many of our children,and grandchildren. Destined to become tenants in their own land . Is there no empathy. So why is our government prepared to turn land ownership to all and sundry who choose to buy. That is wrong . Should be only for citizens and holders of a N.Z pass port.
But should this get past congress ,then so be it. Little we can do. Put it on the back burner and move on,but not forget what is happening.
And the other warning bells are that Aunt Helen is in favour of it . Speaks volumes. The march to ward one world order continues. While Hilary Clinton is totally opposed---interesting.
What more to say. Fishing time coming up.

cirrus wrote: . When one sees a train rumbling down the track ,headlights glaring ,horn wailing then personally i like to see it coming and step clear and hope others do the same. When Tppa arrived evil entered the room by the back steps without creaking . And yes i tend to agree it is better to be inside a trade agreement than outside of it--maybe. But at what cost. When we have a situation where corporate companies can sue governments,then one must ask who then rules. And at that point the ideal of democratic sovereign governments ceases to exist,other than in name only. Yes there may be a few advantages we are sold. But disadvantages are far greater. We now have a continuing of the situation where foreign buyers can buy our country.Already happening ,but will increase. Under Tppa they will achieve what they failed to achieve by war. Instead they will own this nation by economic means. Perhaps we should all Spare a thought for the young people of N.Z. Especially the young couple with two or three children, at the lower end of the pay scale, havent had a wage increase in years,scrimp and save for that deposit for their own home. Then they find their deposit has devalued by the worlds fastest rising house prices ,and are out bid by the man with the printed funny money from overseas. How do these people feel . They feel angry and disenfranchised in their own country. And so will many of our children,and grandchildren. Destined to become tenants in their own land . Is there no empathy. So why is our government prepared to turn land ownership to all and sundry who choose to buy. That is wrong . Should be only for citizens and holders of a N.Z pass port. But should this get past congress ,then so be it. Little we can do. Put it on the back burner and move on,but not forget what is happening. And the other warning bells are that Aunt Helen is in favour of it . Speaks volumes. The march to ward one world order continues. While Hilary Clinton is totally opposed---interesting. What more to say. Fishing time coming up.

Jan Kelsey has taken Trade Minister Tim Groser to the high court for not releasing the TPPA under an Official Information Act, and has won. 

Yes have watched it,now go and look every person who appears and check out the backgrounds.  If you saw a programme a week or 2 ago on oil in the middle east.how america/england placed bribes with the saudis to get the best deals , it started before ww1 and they did what ever they could to hold on to deals and drive germany/russia out,then saudi woke up.We are only getting  x amount per barrel and you are selling it for x amount and profiteering,right this is the price hence 1970s oil crisis. 

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