this will have serious adverse effects on all of us .. it  has to be stopped

mowerman wrote: this will have serious adverse effects on all of us .. it  has to be stopped

how do you go about stopping such things?

i personally dont know enough about its detail, but if everyone i hear is saying its bad, i tend to sway that way.

cirrus wrote: Very interesting current interview with wiki leaks Julian Assange currently on web site zerohedge. Some interesting insight on what is the biggest trade deal ever. But who knows what the content is as no one is allowed to know. But would appear its not about free trade but corporate control of govts and also internet among other things. Interesting that N.Z is still going on about changing the Flag at about the time of Tppa,despite about 85% of people not interested. Why is govt persistent about this.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11463317Why is there never any good news about the TPPA

Ya reckon? Seems to be pretty good all in all, at least to me. Perhaps I am not sufficiently paranoid. I mean, we didnt get everything, like the dairy thing could have been better, but hell, it is 20% better than what was before tpp instead of 50% better if we'd got the dairy side deal we wanted. It is still a win.
I suspect the world will not end, and that nz will not be labelled "Property of the USA" on any maps just yet....after all, if 11 other countries all signd up, they surely ALL cannot be dupes to the capitalist swine in the west surely?
Maybe.....just maybe.... the anti tpp groups over-cooked things just a leeeeetle?
After all, the main leader of the opposition to TPPA seemed to be Chicken Little, wasn't it?

Glaucus wrote: Tone E wrote: We will lose our ability to be masters of our own country. This is the beginning of a one world government and everything will change for the worse for us, and for the better for the huge multi-national corporations. A small example...plain packaging for tobacco and those scary adverts will be illegal. Cheap generic medicines will be banned so medicine will cost lots more, and it will be illegal for us to keep GMO food out of NZ      Will be interesting to see if the government will continue pursuing the "Smokefree by 2025" campaign that's been in place sometime.

To be fair Cirrus ... there arent any effective controls on foreign buyers anyway. 

Because dairy is still a little better off, and beef, mutton, wine, horticulture etc etc are all way better off.
it is essential that NZ be on the inside of these trade blocs, rather than johnny precious sitting outside then whining about how all the other signatory countries seem to have freer access to the markets we need to thrive, or even to survive.
Will our laws in place to monitor foreign ownership be changed? No. We retain the same laws we have at the moment, but true, it restricts new laws apparently being imposed to prevent other signatory member residents investing in this country. But they still need to pass the same conditions to meet the foreign ownership requirements that they do at the moment.
But yes, it does obviously mean that we are all doomed.
In a couple of years when it actually comes into effect that is.... after the other countries all get it cleared thru their own governments. Because this thing is not a personal attack on NZs freedom, it affects all these countries the same. One of the biggest hurdles to it going thru at all will be getting it passed by the US..., they are none too likely to be very impressed with a lot of these trade terms either. No country has got everything it wants either, but that is what happens in negotiations.

The problem here is that the only press coverage had here in NZ has, until this deal has been done and the provisions have been announced, been disseminated by the radically opposed to international trade deals, political opposition parties looking to score points against the party in power, and the alarmists on the left and often the extreme right, the xenophobes and jingoistic mostly.
Once people get over themselves and actually think about it, why would ANY government sign a treaty so unrelievedly bad for their nation that it would preclude them from ever getting back into power again?
The media have drummed up the anti side of things enormously, as any "The End Is Nigh" story sells newspapers, and opposition parties climb on the band wagon to score politicall cheap shots, knowing that they will either never be in a position to have to face the reality of the situation(such as the greens and NZ first), or can always climb off their high horses when they do get into power (eg Labour) when they have to actually make the country work.
Imagine if this to thing turned out to be a boon for NZ exporters, manufacturers etc, but in five year say the greens and labour and winston get into power and decide to repudiate the deal. Businesses get shut out of markets or become marginally viable as the tariffs go back on to our products. Job losses, businesses close, no job growth, interest rates soar..., but hey, that'll all be good eh......
I am very anti Helen Clarke, can't stand the woman, but she was totally correct when she said the other day that as a small trading nation, we HAVE to be in these trade blocs, or we lose big time.
At least, that is how I see it.

PJC may not be, but I am, kinda. I think they are hypocrites. If they had a pope rtf or business t sell, and an off shore buyer would pay, say, 3mill for it, and the best a local buyer would pay is 2.5mill, then I bet you anything you like they will change their tune.
If as an aucklander, if you look to sell your house, will you be willing to drop 100k in a refusal to sell to an Asian....sorry, a foreign migrant, mustn't single out any ethnicities here eh.
If you say yes you will, then ..... lets just say...."Tui".