Makara Groper

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    Posted: 04 May 2008 at 5:43pm
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Not the puka variety unfortunately. Went for a dive down the coast from makara with a new diver to show him the way of the tarakihi cull. Towards the end of the dive I headed out to my usual spot to have a look for crays. Inside the cave I kept hearing loud grunting noises and after a while found a medium sized BSG in a deep crack. Pretty unusual to see one down this way. Unfortunately I scared the hell out of him trying to pull a cray out just next to him, he took off but I could still hear the grunting so he couldn't have gone far. Here's hoping he's made that cave his home for a while.
 
The guy who came with me was using a hand spear less than 1m long and a pair of rubber duck fins. He still managed to get down amongst a tarakihi school in 16m, which I thought was pretty good going. Unfortunately the tarakihi (big ones) were a bit elusive so he shot a butterfly perch instead. Pretty close to the NZ record too, just under 1kg...
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Geez Dave, that title had me near piddling myself. Good luck with your quest....
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I've caught a few pup groper at Makara in winter in less han 20 metres, on line, not spear!
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About a month ago we were up at matauri bay and saw a BSG hanging out in a cave about 4m deep. Pretty unusual spot for such a fish I think.
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They seem to have a pretty broad depth range - I have seen them in shallow water heaps, especially at the Kings
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Yeah they are common in shallows.  I saw my pet one in Oke Bay again last weekend.  Has been there a few years now. Saw two of them in there once.  I never heard of s SBG being that far south, Dave.  Sure it was not another related groper?
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How big is your pet one RQ? I'm keen to poke a camera at one but so far I've only found 2-3kg jobbies. They seem really shy at this size and getting them to come out into the light has proved problematic...
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Should have shot It for a positive ID Dave LOL
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SBG have been found as far south as Jackson's Bay I believe
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Is standard size - maybe 3 or 4 kg/rugby ball size. He comes out sometimes, and I almost always see him there.  He lives in a crack, and hangs around out the entrance most of the time.
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Originally posted by TheSnapperWhisperer TheSnapperWhisperer wrote:

Yeah they are common in shallows.  I saw my pet one in Oke Bay again last weekend.  Has been there a few years now. Saw two of them in there once.  I never heard of s SBG being that far south, Dave.  Sure it was not another related groper?


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It looked like a bsg i.e. short fat and dark. Didn't seem to have the big undershot jaw a puka would have, looked more like the tropical grouper shape. However it was pretty dark in there, only about 4m vis and at the back of a cave so not that sure about the colouring. Do convict groper etc come this far south??

A bsg was caught near makara by a line fisho on a charter boat, I think it was last year.
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Convict groper are deep water species. Sounds like a BSG
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I reckon if we carried torches we might see a few more ????
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Not often tho do we target crays unless its pretty dead and or the viz is sheit.


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What is big for a BSG? The one we saw was about 90cm long, looked like it might have weighed 8-10kg? Not sure exactly but it was bigger than any snapper I've got :P
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They get up to 80-100kg I believe, but the biggest I have seen around NZ (rather than Kermadecs) was about 30 kg at the Three Kings. Average on mainland I would say would be 1-5kg
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I've seen a few at Matauri bay, or rather that bay next door with the houses, all in shallow <10m depths.

Would say matai bay would be a good spot to film them too, I spent 3 days up there once and say one every day, and not the same one, all different sizes.
All good size fish.
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I've seen them at Deepwater Cove and Mahinepua before. The Deepwater Cove one seemed to be free swimming, but the Mahinepua one was in a cave. Should be easy enough to film though as he came out to see what I was up to.
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