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http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/10/auckland-iwi-worried-about-overfishing-as-they-take-on-major-project-to-protect-hauraki-gulf.html

i saw this on the TV this morning - but the interviewer didnt cover whether they fell under jurisdiction of proper govt agency

do they have any power to enforce govt legislation - or are they nothing more than some sort of vigilante fisheries patrol group? 
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It's getting a bit out of hand.
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I'm pretty sure they will have to become actual fisheries officers, otherwise I can imagine the response they will get from some fishers.  More fisheries officers around can only be a good thing.
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Originally posted by Bounty Hunter Bounty Hunter wrote:

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/10/auckland-iwi-worried-about-overfishing-as-they-take-on-major-project-to-protect-hauraki-gulf.html

i saw this on the TV this morning - but the interviewer didnt cover whether they fell under jurisdiction of proper govt agency

do they have any power to enforce govt legislation - or are they nothing more than some sort of vigilante fisheries patrol group? 
After reading that they will get a big dose of FOFF if they try to inspect my catch. Not MPI/Fishary officers just IWI trying to make themselves look good.Meanwhile their whanau continue on with ripping the system off. Be a call to 111 saying I am being boarded by pirates.
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perhaps just emboldened by Hone's northland roadblocks...? 
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Geez some of you blokes are quick to have a winge... 
Lots of previous  post's bemoaning  never being able to get a FO to attend a suspected offence, yet here you have Iwi actively taking a part in policing fisheries.
 The articles clearly  states " The intention is to have three crews of fisheries officers on the water by chritmas" 

Kevin.s I think ya absolutly correct.

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If they're warranted fisheries officers, then it can only be a good thing. If not, then they are just vigilantes with no enforcement powers. 
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Originally posted by Titahi Titahi wrote:

Geez some of you blokes are quick to have a winge... 
Lots of previous  post's bemoaning  never being able to get a FO to attend a suspected offence, yet here you have Iwi actively taking a part in policing fisheries.
 The articles clearly  states " The intention is to have three crews of fisheries officers on the water by chritmas" 

Kevin.s I think ya absolutly correct.

There was no mention of actually becoming warrented officers thats the concerning part.

Yes FOs are required in the gulf but not vigilantes ,bona fide officers only. Yes we all have a responsibility to dob in poachers but I have no right to inspect your catch if I suspect you to be poaching.
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Its a given that to be  a paid fisheries officer or Honorary fisheries officer you must be warranted, to obtain the warrant you  must do the prescribed training and hours.  

Pcj That stuff in ya hands is called Straw,  stop grabbing at it.....

I thought the concerning part was "Meanwhile their whanau continue on with ripping the system off." Your statement........ that actually displays  a  sadly to common bias.

 Maybe 
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Current there is a Rahui covering the the Tapu Waikawau area imposed by the local IWI who I know personally. Guess who was there taking mussels on the weekend (not from the local IWI) and told the locals to FFoff when approached.

There’s been fishing officers there every day keeping an eye on the place, but these guys just waited for them to leave.

Fishery department is way under resourced so as long as these guys are there to help I don’t have a problem.

Nothing worse than poaching IMO, I would go out on the boat with them myself to stop the buggers.
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Originally posted by Titahi Titahi wrote:

Its a given that to be  a paid fisheries officer or Honorary fisheries officer you must be warranted, to obtain the warrant you  must do the prescribed training and hours. 

You have more faith in the governance of this country than I do, but I hope you're right because that would be a win for everybody. Road blocks in the north come to mind. 
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http://www.doc.govt.nz/haveyoursayonthegulf

We ve got the prospect of the HPA areas being put in place soon - with some people, but not others, having rights to continue fishing these areas

Is it any co-incidence that we have new Iwi patrols being setup to help?
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MB I think you make a valid point, Governance is the role of  beaurecratic departments,  staffed with humans, some of which are exceptional, some of which are just there to punch the clock. 

 I am an optimist,  and despite its many faults New Zealand is still a very lucky country, just look to the West to see that amount of graft and corruption that occurs  (Repeated different police forces and trade unions, as well as the multitude of politicians) 

Ive just finished reading " The Gulag Archipelago' It reinforces my belief that NZ has a decent history and prospects.


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If all is above board and ligit then all for it ., more patrols the better . If it's some half pie s**t then yeah not for it at all, go get a real job.
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Originally posted by lawabidingpoacher lawabidingpoacher wrote:

If all is above board and ligit then all for it ., more patrols the better . If it's some half pie s**t then yeah not for it at all, go get a real job.
strange how fisheries weren't part of the interview says it all for me.they are against it??
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Yeah , just tryin  to keep an open mind at the moment. Time will tell !
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I've made a submission for what it's worth (bugger all!). Allowing Customary Fishing in the new HPAs doesn't make any sense at all. 
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Results out February 2023. Yes submitted asking same regarding iwi in reserves picking permit only for a valid reason like a kamatua dying. Like taking with permit of toheroa but I believe only for certain events.
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