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    Posted: 14 Aug 2020 at 1:11pm
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Aug 2020 at 9:44am
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Steps....Thumbs UpOn education /re-education it is impossible with selfish thoughtless people, they just refuse to accept.

exactly.. basic psychology ..ppl need a good reason to act in a certain way...even if dont believe in doing so or dont care.

And that is where Cindy has gone wrong from day one.. "please we need this.."
Well if we need (as against just want)  then we dont say please or repleated 'educate'  we enforce and enforce full on.
Allow illegal road blocks when military support is on stand by ???

Turn back about 30 vehicles of the 1000s leaving auckland??

Even someone who is serious has to question the commitment of the current government to this crisis.

And we now have an outbreak, by ppl who where ASKED "Please stay at home if not well"
So they go for a tiki tour for a few days around the country..
And we ask why???

We have security guards fall asleep, repeatedly.. The taxpayer still footing the bill for that?

A person with HIV knowingly spread the virus, regardless of method get thrown in prison...
These people...put many 1000s of NZers lives at risk, including visit a retirement home with contact...
 And when go into a retirement home you are asked how feeling, been overseas, contacted anyone from overseas.

Can this government handle a crisis ..
 If being polite, keeping ppl happy, is more important than keeping the people save and doing what is needed to be done even thu maybe unpopular..
 Then that is a huge no..
 And that also applies to post the CHCH killings. knee jerk laws and stuff.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Aug 2020 at 12:00pm
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Steps....Thumbs UpOn education /re-education it is impossible with selfish thoughtless people, they just refuse to accept.
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!,000 a day dying of the corona-19 in USA...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Aug 2020 at 9:04am
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I'm on both sides of the fence here.
I am extremely worried about the direction nz is heading in politically..the wholesale axing of our freedoms by legislation. Stuff being rammed through parliament while we are all distracted..slow erosion of democracy..at the moment we don't have a democracy. We have no say and a government not listening.

But....for the good of the multitudes, we have to accept a temporary set of restrictions..how far these should go?, I don't have a crystal ball..

Or think about it like this.. We and other countries have had crisis, serious risk to populations before... be it a village being isolated in the plague, not using headlights in cars at night, war time, riots of ,52 (think it was). Full on food rations, movement . where you can work and what..
 All with very serious consiquines from getting shot on the spot to instant imprisonment.....
 Hey even giving children of striking workers some food...

And in most of the cases above.. NZ..

We have a past of not just passing laws  but enforcing in no uncertain terms to prevent further social and economoical damage.
 In retrosepect a lot where bit over board but thats not the piont... we surivived.

Now we have a serious life threading, social, economic crisis that has taken a backward turn...
 Why?
Because of a wishy washy enforcement of things critical to keeping things on a flat road.. even if means social  isolation for NZ a few yrs....
It is NOT the government or Cheif Medical officer who has put us once again into restrictions that hurt , business, economy etc.. but they have responsibility for it to happen.

So who is to blame?
Top of the list, a family (and maybe a coupe other ppl) who in spite of all the "education" please please nicy requests by Cindy...
And 2nd.. A gvernment who on one hand recogise the risks , dangers to economy, social wellbeing etc who are not prepared to seriously enforce the rules.

Hell not in Auckland... and gets to you?
Dont blame Auckland, blame the police who have been instructed, Do NOT ENFORCE THE LAW....but "educate " at the road blocks.

Personally, I sick of this damn "educate" re educate, Re Re educate" and the whole lucrative marketing advertising industry supported by it.

Break the law, do the damn time.. are we children or adults?

We have a serious health, and economic crisis either it is handled or not... A continuous enforcement by re education is BS

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Originally posted by Alan L Alan L wrote:

Wish I could print money like the Govt. But if I did it I would be thrown in jail.
I would have shared some of it with you guys. promise.
Alan

Is that the money or the jail time you would share? Smile



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Aug 2020 at 7:48am
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Wish I could print money like the Govt. But if I did it I would be thrown in jail.
I would have shared some of it with you guys. promise.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Aug 2020 at 7:22am
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Up to a 100 billion. 40 estra.

Dollars is good still.
Just cruising in my now sweetas pimped out Southern 755 HT0!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Aug 2020 at 7:19am
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Cirrus - just to correct slightly. Not another $100B. Yet.
Increased the ceiling from $60B to... $100B y/day. So another $40B to throw at things.
This Govt is superb at throwing money at problems.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Aug 2020 at 9:38pm
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Was this sudden level 3 justified on the basis of a family of 4 and two work places that may or may not have positive cases. Again, was it justified.?
Just read about tens of thousands of dollars of freshly ordered food dumped by the hospitality sector,cancelled bookings etc. They were given zero warning. And the govt knew well in advance..
This government is incapable of acting on a human level of individual understanding or compassion.The kindness motto is like the rattle  of an empty  tin in a dusty wind. The news dosent take you behind the scenes ,into the personal & family lives of those just hit by this latest lockdown. Lives unseen behind the doors.Years old businesses ,years of inovation,hard work hit by level 4 and now this level 3.
And the mask . During the height of the pandemic they were not compulsory or deemed necessary, even in europe. Why this sudden u turn. Dosent instill confidence. Another multitude of hurting people has begun.
The cost is huge,but unseen. Another $100 billion to be printed,announced today. And did our dollar dive against the  $ U.S since last nights announcement.
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I'm on both sides of the fence here.
I am extremely worried about the direction nz is heading in politically..the wholesale axing of our freedoms by legislation. Stuff being rammed through parliament while we are all distracted..slow erosion of democracy..at the moment we don't have a democracy. We have no say and a government not listening.

But....for the good of the multitudes, we have to accept a temporary set of restrictions..how far these should go?, I don't have a crystal ball..
I could say I feel for those who have suffered significant losses, I'd like to think I do, but in reality it hasn't affected me so far, other than missing my late summer..I'll survive...

So, what to do..?
you can't fix an idiot with duct tape, but it does muffle them for a while...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Aug 2020 at 6:35pm
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So it would be wise to start learning mandarin. Possibly.
dont get my personality mixed up with my attitude,my personality is me,my attitude depends on you.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Aug 2020 at 6:27pm
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Tax policy that would never fly any other way - ie would never normally get elected on it.
She has indicated she is prepared to keep borrowing for the next couple of yrs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Aug 2020 at 5:59pm
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Get us into debt so deep that a certain country bails us out???
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Aug 2020 at 5:50pm
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Yes - it is a rock and a hard place choice - which has been made in various leanings world wide, with more or less similar results. Sweden's economy crashed more than its neighbours who did a degree of lockdowns. The US may have the worst of both worlds - trashed health system and economy.
But our relative success comes at a cost - about $1B debt/week. That is the current borrowing rate. The Reserve Bank has just decided to increase the printed money supply from $60B to $100B. We may feel relatively secure - but it does come at a cost of borrowed money and time.
How long can that go on, and what will the final outcome be debt wise? This could be the scenario this time next year also. WHO are saying a decade long event now. I don't see vaccination any silver bullet either.
No easy answer. bad news where ever you look really. I have my theory as to what she is up to, but will hold it for now.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Aug 2020 at 5:49pm
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This is not directed at any one person, but just directed at the sort of complaining, grumbling culture that has sprung up in various forums (not just this one) and become the "go to":

I feel that whatever decision the government had made or does make - to lockdown or not, open the borders or shut them, quarantine or not, herd immunity etc, that the same people who are complaining now would probably be the same people who would be deriding those decisions and saying we should have done it another way.

Very few people want to celebrate or look for positives or express any other opinion than "what a load of rubbish this is.... grumble grumble " etc. It must be exhausting.

I'm a pom. But not a whinging one. Pretty much the only whinging I do is whinging about how much whinging everyone is doing!!

If you have lost your job or business because of lockdown, feel free to grumble on here. But if you haven't, don't grumble for other hypothetical people. If you are happy that you live in NZ right now, celebrate it and post. 

My list of places on earth I would rather be living right now:
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Aug 2020 at 5:20pm
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Originally posted by cirrus cirrus wrote:

This country needs to make some real decisions. Either stay locked down in fear forever,living half lives and become the hermit kingdom of the pacific. or open the borders and get on with trying to save our economy and the mental health of our people. The longer we stay isolated the less immunity we will have to covid and the new strains of flu that will develop.
We didnt isolate during the spanish flu of 1918 ,nor the 1958 pandemic and we got over them.

I would like to challenge some of these points: These are entirely my opinion and how it has affected me. I realise it has affected people differently.

1. "Living half lives" - I feel like we are living lives closer to normal than anyone else around the world right now - very few day to day restrictions except overseas travel. Does everyone feel they are living a "half life?"
2. "open the borders and get on with trying to save our economy and the mental health of our people" - I can't see allowing the virus to freely spread (if we want to fully remove restrictions, this is what happens) would improve the economy or the country's mental health. Look overseas. They are not really thriving either.
3. "We didnt isolate during the spanish flu of 1918 ,nor the 1958 pandemic and we got over them." - We did not exactly come out of either of them unscathed. Our economy or mental health was not great. The world was in considerable trouble financially and health wise.

For the last few months I (and many others) have been fortunate enough to live my life largely as if Covid didn't even exist. Going to the pub, restaurant, work, mates houses etc. My kids and family have been able to go to school and work safely and without me worrying. There are not many countries around the world where people can say that. I understand that there will be people up and down the country whose lives have been forever changed for the worse or even ruined by lockdown (tourism businesses etc), but that is not limited to NZ. Places that didn't even go into lockdown have still had job losses in tourism and the service industry.
I know anecdotal evidence and comparisons don't mean a lot, and people will complain about them, but I personally know of more people in the UK who have actually died from the virus than kiwis who have lost their jobs / livelihoods as a direct result of lockdown here. I feel like we did the right thing keeping it out and are continuing to try to do that. It could all fall flat on its face, of course.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Aug 2020 at 3:10pm
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Sorry - the kiwi from India.
 That bloke was Covid compromised too.
That OK?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Aug 2020 at 2:57pm
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Originally posted by Alan L Alan L wrote:

The indian guy that broke isolation to go to the supermarket and take selfies was +ve.
Why do we bother?
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You will have the new woke pc police at your door Alan.
You cannot say "Indian" or "guy" as that is racial and sexual stereotyping.
We just cannot have that. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Aug 2020 at 1:18pm
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He is going thru the court process currently - which is where it was reported. I didn't know til then either. Was posted a day or so ago.
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