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    Posted: 30 Jun 2020 at 9:29pm
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pretty hard to hear ospery is as good as a westcoatster across a bar,  but take your word for it. Maybe in following sea coming in would be as good or better,  but surely not going out.
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I've only got the F18, have heard the F21 is a good boat, but for offshore work I've only been in a 7.5 westcoaster and an osprey, we've driven past extremes and surtees over the manukau bar making hard work of it, those two hulls are awesome
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Since my last post lock down has finished, the charging issue in the motor has been rectified and I've had my FC 535 CC out in some pretty crappy seas. All I can say is that I was surprised how a boat that size handled the seas and kept me dry. To tell the truth I havent had a good look at the welds underneath and don't really care as long as they stay together. Having said all this, I'm getting a bit long in the tooth and looks don't bother me. I've got a Lab cross for a gun dog. She's not as pretty as a pure bred with a pedigree and she wasn't anywhere near as expensive. Does the job as well if not better though.
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Never got anywhere with it. Been stuck in the far north. Tried to organize a frewza 21 test but no one was able or willing.
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Hi Jake not wanting to drag up the past, how did you get on with your boat testing.
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Further to Rozboons point I have no experience in either vessel but having seen the FC at the 2019 Boatshow I was also disappointed in the quality of the welding.

Surtees finishing from what I have seen has Lways been excellent
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At the end of the day just remember to take a tape measure and if you want to brag about a bigger boat then get some bigger decals made.
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Yep they did well at confusing everyone.
Schampy had all the sizes correct.
Down my drive is a 650 and a 6.1, basically the same boat.

Also why the new one is the 610 and not the 6.1.
The 610 basically being the old 5.8 which YKnot has.

Headache, i got one when looking and basically if they had explained it all when i brought the 650 i probably would have got the 700.
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Easiest thing to do is ignore them and measure the LWL. That's the best indicator of how big the boat is that's easily available. One can estimate it from the Surtees site, as it has scale drawings of their boats. 
Best indication is the PPI, pounds per inch immersion at the DWL, but I'm not aware of a single NZ manufacturer that publishes that. 


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Well by the sounds of it, in the early days they measured how they do now, the wrong way doing LOA including all the bits.  in the 2000s until the recent change they might have gone back to measuring properly transom to top deck etc.  I doubt there has been a price change even if your getting less boat.

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Originally posted by jakepitsville jakepitsville wrote:

im abit confused to the change in surtees the old bar crusher 6.1 is not the 650.  My 5.5 is only 5m if measured correctly and the .5 comes from the extra bits?  

Yep they did well at confusing everyone.
Schampy had all the sizes correct.
Down my drive is a 650 and a 6.1, basically the same boat.

Also why the new one is the 610 and not the 6.1.
The 610 basically being the old 5.8 which YKnot has.

Headache, i got one when looking and basically if they had explained it all when i brought the 650 i probably would have got the 700.
Nobody has ever come up with a great idea after a second bottle of water
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Im aware of length overall thing but my point is this:  I was under the assumption they have been using length over all the whole time and at never measured properly (ie my hulls 2000 and its 5.5 including the bowsprits etc, the hull is only 5 m if measured properly).  Be interesting to see if the 6.1 is LOA or measured properly. 
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See Treedoc's post on p2 of the thread. Image shows what the interpretation of LOA (length overall) is in Surtees' case. ie. appears to be from the tip of the bowsprit to the outer edge of the rail on the stern. Presumably they detail actual hull length, beam etc in their details specs online.
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im abit confused to the change in surtees the old bar crusher 6.1 is not the 650.  My 5.5 is only 5m if measured correctly and the .5 comes from the extra bits?  
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Well i'm pretty much in the same boat as Schampy and currently on my second Surtees.  Had the 5.8 (now the 610) and got a 650 which is basically the old 6.1 Barcrusher.
Your welcome to have a look if your on the shore.
Haven't been on an FC but like others have mentioned some of the finishes weren't the best.
Apart from sea trails etc when looking at boats i always went and looked at the second hand boats to see how they were holding up,  one brand looked good new but definitely didn't seem to wear as well.
I'm sure Fishing Boats NZ is doing a demonstrator day soon so book in for that,  they won't cancel because of the weather.

One of the other main things i look at when buying a boat is who they are,  mate got a new boat from one dealer and luckily hes a patient guy,  i'm not impressed with there service.
Got both mine from FBNZ and service is been great,  any problem was solved immediately.

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Thanks Joker I will
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If you get a sea trial in the FC boat make sure that you test the lock in ballast up front in a head sea. On my FC560 locking on 200kg right up front makes the difference between travelling at 18mph to be able to travel at 25mph without bangs. This made all the difference late last year when travelling back from North Cape to Houhora into a nasty head sea for 30 miles.
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Originally posted by letsgetem letsgetem wrote:

Getting a sea trial - really has to be in a high wind sea, otherwise you wont find out how it feels when its ****ty. That's hard to do, as the seller probably will want to trial it now, not later when you want.

Needs to be both ****ty and Calm. My boat surprised me in the calm, was very average initially, before I adjusted engine height and added trim tabs.
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Originally posted by MATTOO MATTOO wrote:

I'd sea test any boat once twice thrice for what you do Jake.

The original 5.5s were pretty good boats.
I'm not sold in the other Surtees.
Generally disappointing rides.

Boat brands have some in there stables that work well.
The rest modified up,or down are not always as good.

So back to basics.
Research as you are doing now.

And when your list is more refined do as I suggest above test.
You have to do more than one in different environments.

Forget brands....

Look at boat design, construction quality.
Then ability to modify to fit your needs.

That might be the best advice I've ever seen you give Mattoo! Wink
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Getting a sea trial - really has to be in a high wind sea, otherwise you wont find out how it feels when its ****ty. That's hard to do, as the seller probably will want to trial it now, not later when you want.
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