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    Posted: 30 Jan 2020 at 8:14pm
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If I'm away at Christmas, the motor only gets flushed on the way home..
Daily use, not an issue.
I pulled that motor apart after 10 years, corrosion was not an issue.
you can't fix an idiot with duct tape, but it does muffle them for a while...
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Obviously flushing is the sensible thing to do. But I know plenty of motors that get intermittent or near no flushing - and still run apparently with no issues. I flush mine every time- because I can. But for years I used to fish from a camp ground and it was forbidden to use water for such things - all summer , never flushed, no trailer wash - as were every body elses. Then I see the banana boats in the islands - mercs 30-40 HP, usually, some newer 4 S now too. Never get flushed - in the water all the time. Prob never get serviced either. Seem to keep going.
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thanks for the advice. I've always been super anal about my engine. PJC I use the hose on my engine if I get in at 4am so I dont wake the world up, then flush with the engine on and muffs later. Always for at least 10 minutes so the thermostat is open. No hoses on Doc Islands tho. .. I guess I've been OTT all this time anyways so I'm not going to worry.
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Plenty of outboards on small launches/catamarans etc permanently moored never get a flush and have no problem,

 I have often wondered about this...many only get intermittent use ...
It may have something to do with the engine size, smaller engine less twists turns, galleries , hoses to than larger ( say 60 hp up) engines????
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Plenty of outboards on small launches/catamarans etc permanently moored never get a flush and have no problem,
some catch fish seems I like to feed them so you can catch them.
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without fresh water flushing would do to my yam 90 2 stroke while i camp on one of the doc islands up north ? Any advice here fellas?

 Johnnies Evinrudes , mercs all have a place to plug a garden hose in.. think yammie do to...
 Johnies eveinrudes (older models , un do the tell tale with a spark plug socket... and use an AMERICAN gardnen hose  bsp thread adapter on a short bt of hose...to plug into a garden hose
 Do not turn on the engine.
 This is how you flush a engine sitting in salt water at the dock.

And before anyone starts up about an "American BSP thread"
 that is what they are labeled at in miter 10/ bunnings outlets Wink

If you are using consistently over holidays, re using before any combo of salt and corrosion oxide deposits form , it will be flushed next use.
 leaving long periods weeks months between uses.. then eventually the chance on one day discovering a power head rebuild is on the cards should not be surprise.

 you are not doing the latter so would not loose any sleep over it.. thu could look at the hose flush if possible.
Should be a meant in the owners hand book.
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I know heaps of motors that never get flushed, or go months/weeks without. No obvious issues. they go for years.
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Im wondering what 3 days in the water without fresh water flushing would do to my yam 90 2 stroke while i camp on one of the doc islands up north ? Any advice here fellas?
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Yes, a half drum should be plenty.
Don't have a tap in mine - just siphon out.
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Just picked up this drum yesterday Steps. I'll cut the top and maybe put a small notch to raise and lower the leg. Did you cut a small notch?
On second thought maybe no notch.

I cut mine so the motor cavitaion plate sits an inch or so below the surface of the water when full.
 The tap inside is to take a bit of weight out when sliding under and out of the way...I estimated that by filling then bucketing out till became movable.. also holds the water when full.
 Note on the outside is where hose clips on to fill.
 The wood just covers a hole that the tank was used for a few decades ago
 The miss shapen top, that has been cause over the yrs by sliding under.. sorta.. then dropping motor and sort of feed the prop in by turning. Then drop the motor which either rolls the boat trailer back or slides to 3/4 full drum forward. Which ever moves the easiest at the time.
 Thats worked out well as the prop drops in rather easy now.

 The oil ring around the top.. if anyone has actually winterised their engine correctly will recognise that black straight away.


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Reading of experiencing steering cable failures has made me decide to have mine renewed.
 
Have owned the boat from new for approx. 10 yrs now & still has the original cable which in that time has not given any problems however nothing lasts for ever so have booked in to have it renewed.
 
Also recently had a new prop fitted which the service mechanic said would improve performance which it has, but in doing so appears to have put increased load on the steering so replacement probably very timely. 
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Ii was out with a guy fishing out of Kawhia on a very hot & humid day with a big lazy swell.
Shortly before crossing the bar on the port side steering cable the crimp to the steering boss shat itself.
I jury-rigged it using a marlin lure 400 lb leader. I had to lie on my back as I twisted the mono leader. Another guy came into the babin to help but he felt sea sick immediately.
Just as we started crossing the bar with some big swell (so I'm told) there was a huge rain storm and visibility was bad. I could feel the big swell and bumps and bangs but hung on for dear life.
We got in ok. The owner was doing a grey charter and was a decidedly dodgy character, as I found out later.
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Just picked up this drum yesterday Steps. I'll cut the top and maybe put a small notch to raise and lower the leg. Did you cut a small notch?
On second thought maybe no notch.
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Try swinging the motor on an even free cable - feel the load

I always quick check by swinging the motor full turn to turn .. by the motor...and its a 150 V6.
The check is made when fireing up the engine check before heading out.. along with lights, gauges batteries jackets etc.

 Feel the load.. what load?  turns so free and easy... my 7 yr old grandson can turn it nps.

It check from the helm..the nature of the worm drive 'leverage' one will never feel any tight spots starting.
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Yes - a sticking cable puts massive strain on the gear. Try pulling the cable thru when it is sticking. You can't budge it. Try swinging the motor on an even free cable - feel the load. So a sticking cable puts massive load on the steering gear. If it is getting stiff - you have a problem that needs fixing.
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What.!! 5 years from a steering cable and your doing well.

Hmm rem way back .. posting about correct length , tight curves etc .. like anything , correct install, regular maintenance things last long long time.

As I said before , my cable on this boat was the original.. from late 70s/ early 80s period.. installed to correct length..even thu the shorter length gave a slighty better curve.
 Warning on that one was excessive play due to inner cable wear in the curve.. which I strongly suspect would not be picked up by the ave owner.. or many service ppl.

 My 1st failure was sticky getting stiff at very 1st turn of the helm...Salt build up in the engine end shaft... which I believe is part of a service. Fixing a sticky steering may just mean a little pressure on the helm then its all good for the rest of the season...you most would assume it is .. Doing this puts huge strain on the cable, inner cable and the helm worm drives, strain the system is not designed for.

 Maintenance prevents these things.
And if you read your manuals , yep the do talk about regular maintenance and maintenance before parking up for the winter .. which most dont do.
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I'm pretty sure I have had more than 5 yrs from them. However ...... I have had 2 failures in the last 7-8 yrs (two boats). So maybe not so far from the mark. Bit like a cam belt I suspect. Rec change at 100k. So you get 140k and still going (changed one today - at 140k). So whats the plan - see if you can get to 160k? Damn , it failed at 150k.
One failure I had there was warning - steering getting stiff. 2nd one - no warning - working perfect and let go internally. So my thoughts are to make sure you have a plan B that you know will work. Or... replace it all at regular intervals.
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Originally posted by cirrus cirrus wrote:

What.!! 5 years from a steering cable and your doing well.
Thats a worry,because that is something boat builders or dealers or service agents dont tell you.
Wonder what else they dont tell clients,things that people should know but are not told.
 
Sounds rather overly pessimistic ... nevertheless reckon given the number of years we have owned our boats John, it probably would be prudent to look hard at workshop inspection or renewal.  
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Expect the unexpected. Any time any where.
Spend enough time on the water and you will experience something new - just when you thought you had it all sorted :-)
But if that is correct - 5 yr expected life for a critical item, you would think there should be some timestamp on the system from installation - at least at a boat shop. Like changing a cam belt. You don't usually wait for them to break. DIY - up to you.
But it pays to have a plan B for that one.
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What.!! 5 years from a steering cable and your doing well.
Thats a worry,because that is something boat builders or dealers or service agents dont tell you.
Wonder what else they dont tell clients,things that people should know but are not told.
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