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    Posted: 07 Jun 2019 at 4:21pm
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I've just posted a short write-up of the Stonecreek Saltwater line.
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I'll let you know. I want to get my order in first
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What Stonecreek line did you get, do you have al link?
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I had a quick cast with both lines today in less than ideal conditions. Despite the cold wind I was most impressed with the stonecreek line. It formed a good loop and cast well. I managed to cast the whole 90' line without too much effort. However, I hope to test the lines further over the next few days when hopefully the weather will be better. I'll write up a full evaluation of how I find them and post it here somewhere.
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Yes head length/profile is a big issue for me. I've got a Technical Tarpon line here with a total head length of sixty foot that I have never been able to cast very well. Consequently I'm getting a stonecreek line and an el-cheapo chinese line in a 10wt so that I can cut the heads back and turn them into shorter head nine weights if I don't like them. Hopefully this won't be necessary as it is not an ideal thing to do to any line. At the moment I have no idea what their head profiles will be. We'll see...
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Originally posted by FishMan FishMan wrote:

How is it for casting?
For a 3 weight it seems pretty good with a good shortish head WF profile. 

I did get a stonecreek WF10F a couple of years back- line coating was a bit "lumpy", had a long head that was a pain after outbound short lines but in fairness it was a good floater. 
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How is it for casting?
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Think my inexpensive line has similar origin and rates alongside some SA and Cortland for slickness and float ability. And frankly a lot of US lines probably come out of China.
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Yeah, actually Fraser I was bit quick to criticise there. I just compared the amount of 'bounce' and stretch to some more well known brands and found it was comparable for the same core strength.

I've been using in-touch (no stretch) lines lately, so the Chinese line felt 'bouncy' on first inspection.

It will be very interesting to see how it performs.
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More bounce, for less buck? LOL
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I received the Wish 'Maxcatch' 8wt flyline in the post today from Charlie (Muchalls) . It certainly looked good. I checked the internet price... very bloody cheap! You have to wonder how the Chinese can make them so cheap

I was pleasantly suprised to see a couple of welded loops already attached. I suspect they are stronger than the line core so their robustness will not really be tested. Because the flyline core on this line will probably be around 25lb I'm only going to fish it with a 12lb tippet. Hopefully no big snapper will be hooked.

Casting will happen as soon as the wild weather clears. A quick stretch test between outstretched arms showed that there was a fair amount of bounce in the line. With the full 100ft out it could turn into a very long rubber band. H'mm This will be interesting!

(Edit- I was a bit hasty on my judgement there. See below)
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Yeah Nick, I'll like to know if they connect the core to core at the loop, or just weld the coating? My guess is the latter, and hence why as you said, really world is very different.

Oh also, I assume that you guys are catspaw style? Loop to loop, but twice? Adds a ton more strength to the connection.
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Thanks Charlie! A stonecreek going to be in my hands soon too. I will treat them both with the finest of respect and fully assess their finer points of construction

But I may have to find some tropical weather to make them both work properly. That might be difficult right now!
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Tropical. But just found a note on the website that they're getting out of saltwater lines... better be in quick!
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Ears pricking up........

Do tell more.

Like you, has anyone had experience with these lines.
TBH, never heard of them.

Are they tropical or cold water?
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Just heard that Stonecreek's have a core strength of 60lb!
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Yep, sudden shock on the line in a fishing situation can unexpectedly break strong leaders and connections. Cracking off bonefish on the strike is always annoying

After having a good look around though I'm thinking that the Rio and Airflo tarpon and GT options are the strongest lines out there.

In terms of long term endurance however I'm uncovering some interesting problems regarding certain line formats

So still looking at some really cheap lines I can abuse. Unfortunately most have light cores of   25lb which won't work.

Has anyone had any experience with Stonecreek's saltwater series of flylines? Any idea on core strength?
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Originally posted by Fraser Hocks Fraser Hocks wrote:

Yea Craig, id love to know if the loops on those high strength lines are created with something stronger than just the coating welded to to each other, or if there is some mechanical connection for the core? 

A couple of months back Simon Gawesworth was in the country.  Would have been good to corner him on that side of things and get the lowdown on the construction of those Rio lines. 

An interesting point about radial cracking.   Iv had that happen to most fly lines in the freshwater, but iv discovered that its down to the DEET destroying the PVC.   Airflo aren't made with PVC, and seem to be relatively immune to DEET, hence that's all I use these days.  I wonder if some of the cracking could be due to a reaction to suncream  or DEET? 

A braided core line would obviously resist the cracking better due to the extremely low stretch, that been said iv bough a few braid cored lines and the lack of stretch can be a huge hindrance when hooking and playing a fish.  You don't realize how much you need that stretch, until you don't have it!  



Hey Fraser, Tim Angeli did hit Simon G up about loop strength and was told that they test all loops and they’ll break at line core strength. My view based on that response is that fishing conditions aren’t anything like lab conditions.
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could be the factor of plastics,
ie/ the only thing that sticks to plastic is the same plastic[learned this from teaching myself plastic welding]
 
so when the flyline is made it fits well to its core, but as it is exposed to air and sun and temp changes and strain , it drys out to a thicker diameter and cracks,
 
I wonder if constant application of flyline dressings halts this process, it definetly makes it shoot better but I wonder if it really adds to the life of the line?
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