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    Posted: 13 Mar 2019 at 5:27pm
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Originally posted by smudge smudge wrote:

Originally posted by letsgetem letsgetem wrote:


Smudge - I think its time the snide remarks were shut down.

 
You are right of course LGE but I do understand why some may regard some of Fiz's posts as day dreaming. I will hide a few of the recent comments.


Plenty of people day dreaming especially in the game fishing forums 🤔
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Originally posted by kitno kitno wrote:

We all look forward to the day you buy a boat Fiz.
It will be the most thought-out 9m hardtop jetski, glass over alloy inflatable, moored on a trailer, trophy fish all over the deck, charter vessel we have ever seen. So looking forward to seeing it.

We can all dream and I'm not too keen on the negativity either, but that is funny! 

Good luck FizFisho with your search!


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Be a shame to close as its nice being dreaming about retirement and what would suit.LOL
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Originally posted by letsgetem letsgetem wrote:

Smudge - I think its time the snide remarks were shut down.
 
You are right of course LGE but I do understand why some may regard some of Fiz's posts as day dreaming. I will hide a few of the recent comments.


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yeah, pretty uncalled for guys!

if we can't discuss our dream boats and fishing setups in the boat shed then i wonder why you guys come here at all?
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Smudge - I think its time the snide remarks were shut down.
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We all look forward to the day you buy a boat Fiz.
It will be the most thought-out 9m hardtop jetski, glass over alloy inflatable, moored on a trailer, trophy fish all over the deck, charter vessel we have ever seen. So looking forward to seeing it.
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Originally posted by Don18025 Don18025 wrote:

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Thanks Don, I have wonderful friends like yourself and many others that private message me with their thoughts on vessels.

Yes Ive seen many Allys permanently moored in Russel, I just wasnt sure if it was paint, anti fouling, or some kind of zinc coating that protects them now days.

But I do plan to buy a towable Ally so I can go West Coast and further north if needed for private use or requested charter. Who knows I may end up in KeriKeri which I adore. Its hard to not like many places north, Cable Bay is like suburbia now. People escaping Auck before the potential property bust and many retirees.
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So Ive been in touch with Maritime NZ and have discussed the SRL and what I need to do for the 200 hours and what courses are suitable. Im almost excited that I want to give up my nice job now and live skint with my boat haha.

But Im not alone and that would get me flogged, so back to work it is for now, trying to get fit and more veggies on an already healthy diet after seeing the tragic death of Luke Perry at age 53 from stroke. My mother had one as well few weeks back but luckily it was tiny and only impacted vision in one eye.

Life is for enjoying and taking from it what makes you happy is my opionion.
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Originally posted by Steps Steps wrote:


There has been a lot talk for a long time
Just saying



Hmmm if thats how it seems I apologise, but Ill correct that now, Ive had 3 boats in the passed 4 years, none of which Ive desired to discuss as I know enough about them.

But I do like to talk about boats in general, its a passion. I LOVE boats. I also have friends and family who arent on the forum who are boaties, but I like to know what they are buying into. Knowledge is not a bad thing.

This time I have a dream I want to fulfill in the future, so this boat will be something I am discussing for purchase myself. Ive found my SRL will limit me to 12m, so the size of boat may grow but the age grow older. Which is where I will need some food for thought from others. Thanks Steps.
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Alloy hulls have to be antifouled if they are moored.
I do not believe they need to be if they are stored in a dry stack and used for very short periods at sea.
I am not sure how they get on with electrolysis, but they must have it sussed now as many are moored all year round. I have a 9.5 metre Senator moored next to me in the marina and he has not dissolved yet! I think that technology is sorted so it should not be a BIG worry. 
My observation is that long term immersion of out drives is still an added maintenance cost for owners which shaft drive hulls do not have.
A well setup outboard rig has the motor completely out of the water when moored in the marina. I have a neat 9 metre boat with 175hp near me, and the motor is not touching the tide at all when raised.

I used to go two years before replacing my antifouling, but with the widespread prevalence of Mediterrean Fan Worm in Auckland City marinas, I have to be more careful. Fan worm is real bad in Westhaven. Northland and Waikato Regional Councils want it kept out of their waters. So this means more cleaning and more antifoul. I try to repaint every 12 to 15 months and clean every three months (in water).
I would expect an alloy boat works on about the same schedule.

Doing a dive trip to the Poor Knights and spending one or two nights in Tutukaka (need to go in for fuel and refill scuba bottles and a good feed) 
I now need to follow Northland Regional Council guidelines  6 or 1. - https://www.nrc.govt.nz/Maritime/Our-marine-environment/visiting-a-northland-marina-this-summer
Experience with marinas further north is they want to see the invoice copy of the last haul out before you berth. So I now carry a copy of this and my insurance coverage on my phone which I can share with them.
Owning a moored boat is an ongoing challenge, what with biosecurity issues getting more complex and last year Auckland Council increased my third party public liability insurance requirement from $1 million to $5 million for Westhaven. 
If you are not insured you cannot use your own leased marina berth!

I am like you, would love a fast crusing cat - but to old to start a major project like that now, so will stick with my launch.  But you have 10 years on me, so start building.
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Lot people come one ask learn buy fish then ask about things on for their boat gear rods etc
Other help out post up pics of how they have done so why etc from real hands on personal experience.. And what not to do for the same reason.. And why...
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If you reallywant something you WILL get.. But not if you waste your time and that of others talikg about it.
There has been a lot talk for a long time
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Whats with all the negativity, I get a lot of help and fellow boat enthusiasts here and on chat and yet I get all these negative trolling comments when Im asking for opinnions on what will be a suitable vessel. After all you need to plan to have the cash for it.

I was looking at larger Aly offshore boats today, that are moored. Being someone who hasnt owned large Aly only GRP, whats the deal with electrolysis. Do you need to take it out on the hard and repaint it every couple years, does that prevent it occuring?
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Originally posted by Don18025 Don18025 wrote:


One question have you the documented work hours to get your charter skipper's ticket. You need log books signed off by the skipper.....or do you have to get those hours up front or have to do the hours.



Hey Don, no thats an issue I will need to resolve over the next 10 years. So i have time to spread it out.

Matoo, I hear ya, I really wanted a performance sailing cat. Looks the same inside, ie a flash apartment on water, but the weight is a lot less as the use lighter materials, so it can sail close to monohull speeds whilst retaining that luxury. Great for sailing the pacific islands etc. Minimum $350k though for a performance based luxury cat used.

For me the 12 foot tinny has always been the 14 foot inflatable rib. simply for exiting the water.
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Fiz, the challenge of half share with another boat owner is how do you apportion the work. My experience one person does all the work and the other freeloads on that work.
I would suggest that you take a look at one of the shared boat ownership schemes.
Tagit operates one operation and then there is Ownaship.
Ownaship is walk on walk off and they offer modern vessels - https://www.ownaship.co.nz/syndicate-boats/rayglass2500tdi/
Now you may not be able to use it for charter, but the cost of participating in ownership of a nice vessel is low. That Rayglass 2500 TDI will do the Barrier and Mokes no problems.
https://www.dreamboats.com/ ; is another scheme.

One question have you the documented work hours to get your charter skipper's ticket. You need log books signed off by the skipper.....or do you have to get those hours up front or have to do the hours.

As you know I own a 9.4 metre launch, have an Ocean yachtmasters Certificate. looked at doing a Launchmaster ticket for charter work - and my Oceans ticket did not count ZIP. Decided to not bother as documenting all those hours by doing them is not what I wish to enjoy. And now the cost is about $950 per level of the course. - http://www.mti.net.nz/?page_id=495
So I take my mates out for the costs of the beer....then they drink mine.

Mind you the fishing has been very lean this past 5 weeks, the Missus started the house renovation and I could not leave home. But the boat is in the marina berth waiting to go.
Spearo is right having a small boat in your 60+ years is the answer based on my friends experience. I am 66.



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Well the best of luck.

I for one do believe in research before I buy expensive toys.
Twelve foot tinny or larger.
Still love my twelve, I have sellers remorse on that one.

I find for myself I'm torn, love sailing, love a little tinny, like my current boat, but a caravan on the water, ie launch is where I'd hope to return to.
I just like being on the water and the extended time flitting around our coastline has always been appealing.

But one has only so much cash to flitter away, I suppose.
Searching for that balance now has been harder than I realised.
Just cruising in a pimped old Surtees! Or my now sweetas pimped out Southern 755 HT0!
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Originally posted by JustAnotherSpearo JustAnotherSpearo wrote:

Everyone knows that you start off with a 12fter and when you become a super old fart you end up with a 12 or 14fter...

Since dreams are free however, boy my final boat better have one of them fancy bilge pumps in it, nothin worse than bailing by hand with them leaky riverts.. 


Haha bro as a fellow spearo you know as well as I how fricken hard a 12ft tinny is to get in an out of in a choppy swell :-).

Espresso for example is living the kind of life I want to at a similar age, except I plan to be under the water more than on top and hope to have the right paper work to charter diving.
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Originally posted by Mootsor you have that many ideas, it cripples you to go ahead with any of them?[/QUOTE Mootsor you have that many ideas, it cripples you to go ahead with any of them?[/QUOTE wrote:



Its not possible to be a troll to be discussing vessels


Its not possible to be a troll to be discussing vessels in the boat shed, thats what its here for.

I simply have owned a lot of boats and have interest in a lot of vessels for myself or friends and family.

I truely enjoy discussing naval design and appreciating different takes on boats for different applications.

I changed boats a lot, but not all I discuss are to buy myself. Its simply asking the question, what is the selling features of different vessels. Please dont take it as I want to buy every one myself or I am not sure what to buy. However this time I do want some perspective for this future rig and what I should be looking for as it will potentially be used in many different uses.

I just want to know that what I buy, being my end game, will last 20-25 years with good care and maintenance. Ive just been up north and saw a 9m boat moored and it had the controls below which helps so much with docking or mooring. Remote control etc.

I hope to have twin yamahas with the Command Link - 6YC and the new Helm Master which looks amazing for twin and triples.

https://yamahaoutboards.com/en-us/home/rigging/all/helm-master
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