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    Posted: 24 May 2018 at 3:32pm
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Find and listen to this audio report on Stuff. Seems that a report has been leaked about under declaring of Hoki catch and the boss of Talleys took exception to some talk back listeners views. What struck me was the seemingly arrogant tone of this guys response. When a report comes out saying that you have been 'stealing' from the people of NZ it is probably fair enough that they might want to challenge what you have been up to.

Fishers under-report hoki catch: Talley's Nelson boss responds
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Yes and we will see the story in the Herald tomorrow with the obliging photo of a guy on a wharf with a rod in his hand LOL Whats the odds?


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Any report that has to be Leaked must contain sensitive information.

So much for transparency.
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The commercial sectors definition of being transparent seems to be when you believe all their 'spin' without question. 
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Absolutely outrageous that MPI isn't going to prosecute for commercial over fishing.
I'm disgusted....once again 
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They steal 1000 tonnes from the public and "it's more productive to have a talk" mpi catch us with a fish 5mm short or 1 to many and it's a written ticket and a threat to take the boat next time, all seems very fair.
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Watched the article on 3 news tonight.
One thing mentioned was the use of grinders aka mincers to hide the evidence of wrong doing.
A few years ago at an MPI meeting in Epsom I confronted an industry representative about the use of these devices.
They denied everything.
A year or so later I again I confronted an industry representative at Half Moon bay about these devices.
They denied all knowledge and told me categorically there were no mincers/grinders on any commercial boats.
Liar liar, pants on fire now springs to mind.
Did not believe them at the time and my doubts have now been proven correct.
However, it now appears we can trust them.
That's all right then.
Everyone move on.
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Report hidden for years. Good old National up to their old tricks of ****ing over the environment.
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What this really shows is how much MPI has been "captured" by the Big Fishing Companies and explains absolutely why there needs to be  Royal Commission of Enquiry into the entire Quota Management System as well as MPI's fisheries division.
 
Notice how there has not been a peep out of the this current government with respect to this, don't just blame National for this QMS fiasco Labour has been complicate in all of this as well.
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The problem with MPI or any other govt department is ,Yes you can vote to change the government and appoint a new minister. But you still have the same old bureaucrats running these departments advising the minister. Unless you change the bureaucrats you will always have the same lies,the minister only reports on what he has been advised and there lies the problem. You can not expect the minister to know every aspect of the fishing/farming primary industries.
QMS is not WORKING
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All published ratings of countries with the least corruption show NZ near the top of the list. 

Bollocks!


This is a great example of just how corrupt the MPI and the government really are.
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Clutch - Just because NZ is near the top of the least corrupt countries in the world does not mean that NZ is not corrupt to some extent, it just means that all the other countries are more corrupt.
 
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Our very own "Hokigate". What a bleak situation for this country. It goes far deeper than Hoki.
When a government department colludes with the powerful fishing companies to hide documents and reports then you can be sure that your democracy is gone. Public trust in governance will have slipped a little further. The difference between right and wrong has become a little more obscure.
What fools. Risks that accrue from speaking the truth are far less than the risks that accrue from deceiving yourself and other people.

And it will make little difference that fisheries have been separated from MPI , moved to the room across the corridor,given a new name with a different label on the door.
This will do nothing to change the culture in this government department.
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Originally posted by SufixRockMan SufixRockMan wrote:

Report hidden for years. Good old National up to their old tricks of ****ing over the environment.


It had nothing at all to do with either National or Labour. The "problem" was hidden from MPI then hidden form bother parties until a leak happened.
Its similar to not getting caught speeding for many years then finally getting caught. Its not the police's fault
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You know really this is none of our business. Recreational anglers go no where near the hoki fishery, all the likes of legasea should do us point the public gaze right at the Comms attitude towards their own bread and butter fishery and see how they treat that.
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Originally posted by Clutch Clutch wrote:

All published ratings of countries with the least corruption show NZ near the top of the list. 

Bollocks!


This is a great example of just how corrupt the MPI and the government really are.


or how corrupt the rest of the countries are

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Originally posted by sposman sposman wrote:

They steal 1000 tonnes from the public and "it's more productive to have a talk" mpi catch us with a fish 5mm short or 1 to many and it's a written ticket and a threat to take the boat next time, all seems very fair.


That there is a classic case of misreporting. With that level of infringement and no previous infringements would receive a written warning. Second time around, $250 fine. It is beyond the law to seize goods at that level of offending, other than the illegal quota taken.
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I think if safe to say that the commercial fishing industry has plenty of 'prior form' and should be well out of 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th ..... chances by now if comparing it to how a recreational user would be treated. 
It's just really discouraging to keep seeing these 'secret' reports being leaked showing the damage to our fisheries through 'theft' or maybe just gross incompetency when our own public servants seem to be the ones making the decision to suppress them. If you are tasked with protecting the public interests in the fisheries that we own, then how is it ever in the public interest to hide the fact that our fishing companies are performing 'illegal' harvest activities? It can only be in the personal interests of the public servants and the fishing companies to suppress this information and that should never be sufficient reason to block the public from understanding what is happening. To much power and not enough oversight, so where is our new fisheries minister on all this?

The argument in this case appears to be (from the industry side at least) that the problem was just one of how a process worked. I would argue that if a process failure lead to several $millions of public revenue lost then surely there should be some heads rolling for allowing that process to exist. If you make a mistake with your social benefit claims, taxes, or similar and collect a  a couple of $1000's more than what you are due the civil servants will be all over you with threats, penalties and potentially criminal charges. If however you are a civil servant and lose the countries $millions in fish through 'improperly made decisions', or seemingly a fishing company who somehow ends up with $millions of extra publicly owned fish you weren't entitled to, that is apparently reason for a 'good discussion'. 
I have said this a few times before but in my view the creation and management of our QMS is quite possibly the biggest example of gross governmental incompetence and possibly graft (either fully illegal or technically legal but morally unsupportable) in modern NZ history. I believe that there will never be a truly independent inquiry into this in my life time because both major parties could not afford to have their histories of involvement made public until a big group of the people who would be implicated are dead and buried. If you bother to read back through the history of our QMS and follow what is happening around it today you would surely struggle to come to any other conclusion. 
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Originally posted by Marligator Marligator wrote:


Clutch - Just because NZ is near the top of the least corrupt countries in the world does not mean that NZ is not corrupt to some extent, it just means that all the other countries are more corrupt.
 



Unfortunately, cronyism and nepotism are not counted as forms of corruption so therefore not included in those statistics.
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Originally posted by Barrie Barrie wrote:

Originally posted by SufixRockMan SufixRockMan wrote:

Report hidden for years. Good old National up to their old tricks of ****ing over the environment.


It had nothing at all to do with either National or Labour. The "problem" was hidden from MPI then hidden form bother parties until a leak happened.
Its similar to not getting caught speeding for many years then finally getting caught. Its not the police's fault


Who commissioned the report?
If the report writers were commissioned by MPI then I am sure MPI would have demanded to see it. Even if it were not completed on time. If they then hid it, heads should roll.
Heads should roll anyway due to the lack of prosecutions.
If the Fishing industry commissioned it, then it is no surprise it was hidden until things had improved.
If they have improved as stated on the news?
Why would an independantly funded investigation be commissioned then hidden?
I maybe having a senior moment Barrie, I just cannot understand where you are coming from.
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