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Originally posted by kitno kitno wrote:

Apparently sunken logs are there from getting washed out the Whakatane river.



The ocean current travels east towards Ohope, not west towards Thorton.  The sunken logs most likely come down the Thorton river. 

Tip: Make sure your traces are light line, so when you force a bust off, it will break at the trace.
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Hi Shore fishing guys -----just bought a GPS torpedo and pleased with it compared to my home made 46lb thrust one (as  GPS rudder to tech. for me)       Has any one tried this sonar detection one of BUlletfishing as I wish after my last time out 2 goes and no fish.  But they could have been in much closer than she went out. I've a boat with high tech sonar and no way do i ever see fish on it so I reckoned when buying it was not possible for sonar to be usefull .
As far as torpedo getting hooked up i always have 2 and usually i've managed to get the fishing one in with a grappel .Takes a lot of goes though. As for traces always have tubes over 60-80 lb mono  as one can pick up 30-4 and they dont tangle .  I use the clip that comercial  use and would u beleive a squesed over bit of neadit making only one swivel work. also shrinkwrap overswivel and tube stops filling with sand and makes it stiffer.    Have a thing called a winch shroud that i stupidly tried tio patent so never have a tangled up e reel.... Works wonders .Myn system works wonders too many of these torpedos so have to go only weekdays  and cross river if i have to as being tangled to another is worst thing.
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The last time I was actually involved in putting out a 'tiki would have been around 1967/68 Pakariki right down sth end. He died shortly after that so cant go ask him.
 Those days the whole family walked, carried, no 4x4s , bikes whatever.
 So as to sink weights, would not know now, but for a young teenager it was a bit heavy , do rem it being a reef sinker.
Cant rem any other sinkers on the main line..sure was only the one... again when pulling in was about always keep moving so all lift up off the sea bed... 
 The main line nylon was heavy...about as accurate as  I can be on that.
The loops where ledgers.. never forgotten how to tigh them loops fast on a jig all exactly the same size and spacing.. Still tie droper rigs on a jig... whole series, just cut off the reel as want the next one...
 The clips where black magic exactly the same as buy today.
 The traces where a green nylon...maybe 30/ 40lb (??) about 2 ft.
 I do wonder thu.. just throwing a thought out there.
Our long line is 3 or 3.5mm black braid, from a haberdashery shop, has a breaking strain around 300lbs (or kg cant rem).
 Simple surgeon knot loops, 2.6m apart, and clip 30lb traces on the loops.
 Its lasted around 7 yrs now...often dropped across a foul, broke a few traces... did break the main line once, that was rather exceptional circumstances thu.
 Wounded why 'tiki dont use it, or little heavier maybe?

2.6m between traces.. why?
Well with 2 ppl that is the distance between when drop and revival , it is convenient to keep boat straight, put on or take off traces, clean hooks as go... float each end.. weights are lumps scrap steel.. one end is currently a big old broken adjustable spanner..

 

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I've heard people use k-bar lollies as well,in place of barley sugar.

Steps,I usually use 30oz of led in the backbone, 1 sinker at front,then middle and at the end,helps keep my non GPS unit going straight,and keeps the gear on the bottom. I usually use 30lb trace with spoon sinkers,to they lift off the bottom when pulling in,and if get snagged they break off fairly easily.
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Steps, i am curious about the barley sugar idea. And i dont even have a kontiki.
 Now keep in mind this was 2 galv house storm water down pipes,  ends soldered off as pontoons,  attached to a wood frame and a square sail that could be rigged for wind direction.
 A little catamaran..
 On the rear wood cross member was a fencing staple 1/2 banged into the wood. The rear stay to the mast had a loop...was passed thru the staple. 
 There was a  running reef sinker on the main line, tiki end. this is lifted up to where the main line connects to the 'tiki
 Below that a loop on the main line was put thru the staple loop with the sail mast stay loop.
A barley sugar put in these loops.. holds the sail upo and sinker on board.
 25/ 30 mins later it has melted, sail drops, sinker runs down the main line to 1st trace, sinking and holding everything on the ocean floor

My memories of Kontiki fishing from Sunset beach include Dad and my uncle holding a giant Bag (balloon) 
 yep we started to see those  early/mid 60s, up to then we still had paper bags in food stores (IGA/ Four Square) and AH Chee had yet to build the 1st supermarket in Otahuhu..
 The bags where sheets of hard to get plastic held together with tap. Then those with access to heat sealers started to make their own...
 Still rem the old man expressing very clearly, what the hell is world coming to filling the sea up with this crap 50/60 odd yrs ago. 
The bags just went where the wind and rips  took them, no control, would go down the beaches messing up surf caster, kon tiki ppl a like
 
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My memories of Kontiki fishing from Sunset beach include Dad and my uncle holding a giant Bag (ballon) trying to tie it off after running it into the wind then tying it onto the line and duct tapping it up for strength.
Definitely needed offshore winds which were usually about now during the eqinox, but also happened to conincide with the snapper in close.
What great times, simple times. And i am only mid thirties...
Why choose either diving or fishing when you can do both. Besides crayfish tail is very good bait!!
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Steps, i am curious about the barley sugar idea. And i dont even have a kontiki. Just in the way it worked. was something tied to the lollie, that would let go when it disolved?? I heave heard about this from the good old days also people who used the old life saver lollies.
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I dont know if tubes will stop sharks..
 When fishing gets hard, we lay the long line out.. bit of insurance, fingers crossed, save the day to take a feed home.
 Few yrs back was playing with floats to lift hooks / baits off the sea floor, and tubes.. stop having to replace traces so often because fish chew/rub the trace above the hook a little.

 I rem several times when using the lumo tubes, a sharks going up several of the traces simply cutting them off.
 My curent burly pot bag, heavy net, one side is now helfd together with quick ties cause a shark hit it a few months back.
 Would not underestimate theslicing power of a shark, even with tubes.

Now only use on west coast boat fishing, on my self tied drooper traces.. help hold the hooks out from the main line.. double loops..  hooks or fish on the hook, been taken by shark couple times.

So I get this right.. never been out bwith a modern electric kon tiki... when it goes out does it drag the main line and traces along the bottom?  
Not like my old mans where had a sinker to drop from the back of the kon tiki, when the barley sugar dissolved ?
Just thinking about that.. I dont think it went out a km or so  like the modern units.. maybe 1/4 to 1/3 miles (???)

Side note: try to buy a proper barley sugar is impossible unless in one of those craft lolly shops.
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I'd agree with that steps,traces with tubes will tend to stop the sharks biting through,with will make them thrash more,and up the chance of picking up the backbone and biting through it. I don't use tubes myself. Good point there.
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I think its when the trace has a tube over it.. like that glow tube stuff.
If we drift thru a reef/ bottom foul while stray lining, and catch a rock solid, then a good pull will usually break the trace , little easier if the trace is around or over a rock as well.

If, have some glow tube on the trace (protect form fish teeth above the hook(2) its a damn sight harder to break that trace.
 Draging floating stray lines through rocky bottom would be similar to draging traces on the back of a kon tiki ???

From my post above on the old mans (late 50s / early 60s ) old school home made sail kon tiki

The sinker was held up on the backbone on the back of the kon tiki along with the sail rear stay....a loops thru a fence staple and a barley sugar.
This allowed enough time (around 20/30 mins from memory, for the kon tike to take the line out, barley sugar disolved, sinker ran down the line, and the sail dropped.

This tended to keep the line up while sailing out.
 I also rem he was quite emphatic than when winding in...a person  taking most of the weight pulling the line in like an anchor warp... it had to always have tension and be moving... Maybe it held the traces hooks better up off the sea bottom better (???)
 Was too much weight for a person to hold down and wind in all the weight on the garden hose reel. 
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Originally posted by VJB VJB wrote:

What is the issues with the sleeved traces?
Why did your dealer recommend strongly against them?
stupid question. What's a sleeved Trace?
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Not sure what the logic behind it is, but I've been told that theory by a few seasoned long liners.
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What's the logic there? I get sharks on standard traces. I also know of a old boy that uses shark for bait and gets 6 good snaps on 8 hooks. Unless someone tows out a camera and does a study...what do we know for certain?
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Originally posted by VJB VJB wrote:

What is the issues with the sleeved traces?
Why did your dealer recommend strongly against them?


They attract sharks.
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What is the issues with the sleeved traces?
Why did your dealer recommend strongly against them?
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Used to konti with the old man yrs/ decades ago.. before plastic bags and kites.
He made couple pontoons out of galv down pipe, soldered the ends over..  wood frame raft between the 2, held on with large exhaust pipe type U brackets, and a square sail that could be adjusted for wind direction.
The sinker was held up on the backbone on the back of the kon tiki along with the sail rear stay....a loops thru a fence staple and a barley sugar.
This allowed enough time (around 20/30 mins from memory, for the kon tike to take the line out, barley sugar disolved, sinker ran down the line, and the sail dropped.
 When ready, wound back in on the old garden hose real.

Used to get the odd , jam, a hook or trace on a rock or something, but with a little jiggling and good yank would come free or occasionally break that trace of.
 Sharks going down the line taking the fish was usually the biggest problem some days.

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Hi there, I have recently purchased a predator kontiki and have to say it is a great way of catching a good feed. As for snags, like all modes of fishing it is likely going to happen at some stage. I find that trying to reduce the risk is the best option. An effective way of doing this - without purchasing a shore thing - is to use the same principle of a sure thing.

Make up a longline (or get someone else to) separate to the mainline that is around 300m long, lay that on the beach in rows at 30 - 50 metre increments (ensure you are laying the longline down current...this is critical in reducing tangles). Attach all your hooks and sinkers making sure you cover your baits with sand to stop the gulls from having fielday (kids have fun scaring them away too).

Now hook your mainline to the kontiki as well as your pre-baited and weighted longline and send it out. Your mainline will stay on the surface while all your gear will be on the bottom on the separate longline. This means if you do get snagged or a shark smashes the gear off you still have the kontiki attached to the mainline, hopefully saving what matters. Like all things fishing you can't guarantee something disastrous won't happen but this method has been effective for me and as long as you get your currents and wind right aswell as having a general idea of the what the bottom is doing, in my mind this method genuinely reduces the risk.

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yeah we lost two rigs on seaward side of lagoon 3 kites two dropper rigs pass up their fish only bombing range
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I got one stuck at Thornton Beach BOP. It was going dark and didn't know how to get it unstuck. I pulled as much tension as I could on the backbone, tied 4 red balloon's to it and cut the line. I borrowed the bro-in-laws kayak and went back at first light. The balloon's were sitting just out the back and I paddled out to meet them. I used the backbone to pull myself out until the line went vertical. At this point I'd recovered 14 snoods and 4 snapper. The torpedo was 3-400m further out. I towed the torpedo back without recovering any more snoods.
So a bit of line and hardware was lost but the expensive part was saved. Apparently sunken logs are there from getting washed out the Whakatane river.
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