Powerpro is a great product, so sounds like you've got it nailed.

 

I'm sure in coloured water the bright braid would be fine. However there is no advantage to it as it's under you're indicator.

 

Have you tried the small stainless rings instead of the swivel?

 

I appreciated your comments on indicators. Actually I probably do the same as everyone else....but that is half of the problem. There must be some better ways, with indicators that cast and float better.

 

So no need to appologise for the feedback. I did write the article on drop shot nymphing last year. Although as I mentioned there are still plenty of things that can be improved.

The funny thing is after i wrote the article i thought I would try a new braid, i got so many tangles I ended up switching back to mono. When it's not working, it can be soo frustrating.

 

Anyway I've moving back towards the fireline. I think the primary benefit is the non stretch and the low diameter to mono.

 

Looking forward to hearing how someone's improved on the classic indicators.

 

RV

 

 

 

 

  It was originally designed by a couple of guides on the tongariro river..... it started of as a snake roll and has progressed from there.

 

 Guide's like Jamie Davies, Chris Brennan, Mike Burgin (thats me, now retired) and perfected by the likes of Andrew Blake (this boy knows his stuff). it was until recently little used until a newplymouth writer herb spandical (spelling) got a hold of it having learnt it from one of his fishing freinds and ours Carl.

 

  since then its become this huge thing. yes its effective when done right but people miss the point...... if you cant cast a normal over head cast you will never be able to do the tonga roll effectivley, the action required for the front part of the cast is the same, a straight pushing motion, starting at the shoulder from shoulder height and ending at full lengh at shoulder height, no arc and wrist placed at the end of the stroke. required to push the roll out (specially for a full 90-100ft cast), also a haul is required so the need to know how to double haul is essential

 

the rear of the cast is a basic roll cast d loading, and the only real extra peice is the loop over pull back and throw line (anchor)similar to a snake in parts and the same in the fore throw.....

 

 My advice to people that would phone and ask to learn this cast was this..... learn to double haul a full fly+ first nice neat and tidy then look at getting flash.

 

 The TRC also has its draw back's that alot of people dont realise, its noisy, and after a time spooks the fish in the pool. annoys the hell outta me to see people doing it up at otta cannel....... if you are going to learn the TRC dont rig up a 9 weight line on a 7 weight rod, learn to do it correctly and you can cast it on any correctly weighted rod, ie 6 to 6 7 to 7 weight, on any weight forward nymph taper line.....

 

Sorry my 2 cents but had to do it:)

 

120ft over double haul FTW!!!

 

 

Oh and Hi Herb!!!!! havent seen you round for some time... maybe cause i dont do it any more aye!!!!!

 

 Oh HAI Andrew!!!!! hury up and get your ass up here for some real fishing :D teaser for you http://www.fishing.net.nz/asp_forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=31215

 

Herb addressed the noisy on the water issue, when he did it there wa very little splash, water hiss, disturbance and he related ways to avoid the "white mouse". There was no questioning that when executed properly it wasn't noisy at all....

 

 

Hardly a ripple.....

 

I like your piece on the roll cast.  From my memories of its origin I remember being shown this cast by Jamie Davies back in 1998 who had been shown by Chris Brennan.  Before that I had not come across it but I had only been fishing the Tongariro for a couple of years. Herb saw myself and Bevan fishing the Silly Pool in 1999 and from there the fascination begun.   It was really effective fishing the Hydro before the big flood of 2004 wiped out most of the possies on the true right!!

 

I agree that unless you are an adequate caster in the first place you will struggle with the TRC more so than someone who is already a good caster.  I have tried showing a few guys it and some pick it up quick and others really battle. 

 

It can be noisy but I have found it can be performed quietly with a 6 weight outfit and WF line and comes in handy in some tight possies on the bigger back country pools. 

 

Are you up north these days? Im here in London for the next year or so which has put the brakes on the fishing.  Went to Norway Salmon fishing a couple months back but the fishing was very slow and we only landed two salmon between six of us.  Beautiful country though and very similar to NZ in places.

 

Being in the UK and watching the fishing programmes over here makes you realise how good NZ's fishing and outdoors really are!

 

And whats with 120FT over double haul FTW? cmon Mike 120FT??

 

Cheers

 

Karl

 

 

I fish with him a bit and he knows his stuff.

 

A good spey caster is a joy to watch - rod is kept in close, and moved in synch with the body, the line moving effortlessly across the surface and out towards the target. They make it look effortless, not like many videos Ive seen online of people attempting to make the cast.

 

Herb has taken a concept, mastered and improved it, and learnt to demonstrate / perform it extremely well.

 

Dont think it ends with the TRC though peoples - there are many spey techniques which can be compiled together to aerialize and deliver heavy flies on a long line. Get out there and practise!

 For the forth year running I am holding a full day TRC casting clinic at the Tongariro Trout Center/Turangi on the 5th of Sept.    All proceeds go to the Tongariro Trout Center Society as my contribution for my many years of wonderful fishing I have enjoyed on this beautiful river.   For Bookings contact Ken Kimmings at the Trout Center or DOC Turangi.

 

Herb Spannagl

Anyway I was fishing my way downstream watching the bloke teach another till we about ran into each other, I got out and waited for them to finish, a joy to watch! So I walzed up a little later and inquired as to, 'what the hell sort of cast is that?' and got the reply from Herb. G'day Rainbow!

 

I fish down stream 98% of the time, always have but that day stuck in my mind... I was in Finland this time last year and had the opportunity to fish Teno for Salmon. I thought Herb's casts were impressive!

 

The TRC is a beautiful cast and extremely effective when you consider its been delivered by a single hand rod. If you like this have a look into Spey casting and in particular Scandi and Skagit style casting with Switch rods where our style of nymph fishing is concerned. I thought I could throw a line till I watched these Fins roll massive amounts of line across that river..

 

I am still looking into Skagit & sink tip systems for down stream application, although it looks as though the traditional Tongariro pools might be a bit deep for most of it, but it has made me think OUTSIDE THE SQUARE and I am grateful for the leasson from Herb and the brief time spent in Finalnd. It has opened my eyes and really thrown a cat amongst the kakapo's as far as my flyfinshing has concerned.

 

The only problem is I'm still living in Australia so I get bugger all time to practice these things!

 

Thanks for putting this up Clark and well done to those that had a hand in putting this cast down. From what I have seen you can apply any Spey style cast to a single hander, just remeber your haul is their bottom hand.

 

Tight lines,

 

Kurt