taurangatroutmaster wrote: Thought this part of the forum was to discuss non fishing political things?

Masks don't stop viruses getting in through the mucous membranes of your eyes. It is also  a widely known fact that prolonged or incorrect mask usage may even provide an environment that could allow respiratory  infections to occur.


 Correct. which is why professionals also have glasses/ shields right?
They are working all day in a risk environment that ups their risk factor hugely right?
 The mask by its self, even statically still make as a huge difference to infection rates...even in high risk places... and reduces risk even higher in public far lower risk areas espec when combined with distancing..
Pretty much common sense logic really backed up by science. Note how I put the common sense logic before the 'science' bit.
 High risk activity mask and sheilds, lower risk mask only..

Personally Im not concerned about catching Covid

Well thats you and your selfish point of view.. thats a a statement not a dig..
 Think it is about 80% of NZ population is over weight.
 We have have a high  heart/ respiratory and diabetic rate in NZ to almost epidemic proportions.
We have a high proportion of races in NZ that are genetically prone to flu s and espec Covid19.
And we have a high proportion of the population that is in the risk age group..
And thats doesnt5 take into account parents grandparent in rest homes who are at high risk.
 We have already seen that here in NZ already.

And you only care about yourself..not a mention of the majority of other kiwis at risk....
Reallly?

the damage to our economy

Well we could limit , eventually eliminate and go into lockdown and damage the economy.. hard.. which we have done and doing right and you dont like..
 Or we could do what other countries have done .. from let it rip to a limited out of control.
The cost to economies on the medical / emergency services being huge over very long period.. this is still not over around the world. Then throw in a serious of lockdowns that hert the economies even more than what we have.
 And at the end of the day still have the cost of the bulldozers to dig the mass graves...which we dont have.

To most of us when looking at the actual alternatives.. ye we are lucky.. it it was luck, that our non political appointed bureaucrats responsible to make the call did so.

and the giving up of our rights and freedoms that will never be regained.

And that it scaremongering BS that has no substance to back it up in NZ and most other westminter based governments around the world.
 We just have to look to WW2.. rationing food, energy, told where to work and when,forced to join army and die on the battlefeild. What you can grow in the garden and where and when...
 Or the depression, again rationing , told where to live, where t work.. told to work or starve.
 Then look at the 51 water front crisis, or the limitations in the 2 fuel crisis of the 70s.
 Then ther was the polo lockdowns restrictions also in the 50s
 Or the reforms after the muldoon era of late 80s/ 90s.

What we temporally give up now has nothing on what we and previous generations gave up back then...Generations who did so to provide a better future for their children and country.
 And did provide.. if they had not you would not have the "freedoms " to give up now

 The difference back then is the world had basically been over 100s yrs continuously at war, having pandemics go thru.. typhoid, Spanish flu s, polo, tuberculosis , malaria, measles , chicken pox .. just to name a few. Populations grew up with these emergency 'restrictions'.

The generations, in general, after the early baby boomers have never had such wars, emergency situations , espec nationally and have become spoiled and self centered as illustrated in the wording of your post.
 
I have as far as possible backed my argument with actual examples , common sense reasons etc.
yours has none of these to back any of your statements.
 They are stand alone unsubstantiated fringe statements..and that is why they are "fringe"

Sorry but have seen numerous opinions from qualified people saying our off the shelves masks are no good. My wife in ED has got specific fitted masks for her that are 98-99% effective and they have to be changed regular. And eye protection.

Steps according to official stats from overseas out of this cluster we should have had one, two possibly three deaths out of the average figures.

The treatments are getting better.
A saliva test is on the way it seems.

Lets not live in fear.

I would rather live in a socialist country than one with national in charge.

Dr fish, i do respect this governments attempts, and have absolutely no confidence, based on the performance of the procession of leaders of the main opposition party, that things would be any better. if there is a change in government a lot more of us will die. this may take a while to get going, as transmission does appear reduced in summer and warmer climates, but they will absolutely throw caution to the wind at the first sign that things are 'under control.' we would be dealing with burst bubbles with Australia already if Winston had got his way. the current government is struggling at the moment with financial and business pressure to open up, and i'm sure would be locking down more if it was feasible. You are dead right about changing gloves and gear, all of it is a risk, (and one i have to take many times a day) but the whole idea is about a general reduction of transmission that reduces the numbers so that isolation and contact tracing can kick in, again, not about the individual, because that would require full level 4 lockdown. So if we are not going to have level 4 lockdowns we need to buy ourselves as much containment time as we can. Just hope we don't get a level 3-4 in the game fishing season, cause that'll just about finish me off!

Yep we had done the hard yards.

So the solution is stay home under the duvet and watch people lose incomes and the country go broke?

Maybe this should be in the covid thread but he I go.

We had our rogue outbreak, along with complancy in the community causing further serious , anf hairy inplications. Thro in a few inefficienhcies... And its under control.

Last few days all community cases have been detected in those already in isolation.. i.e. a family member gets a +ve.. the whole household plus maybe a few others get to keep them company..

Its a shame the media doesnt make where the community +ves are.. if  OUT IN the community or  already in isolation like the border cases are.

Anyway I have been crunching stats from reliable data and come up with some interesting results.
 I can now say the next Auckland (at least ) lockdown will be in around 5 to 6 weeks time.

 So far every knockdown has been jst after I have been thinking "I need a hair cut" and the wife then tells me to get one tomorrow..
 Also It can be guaranteed that we will have ideal weather , and tide times  for the waikato bar. Ideal being the best in the last few yrs.
Studied stats yrs ago, so have a basic uderstanding of checking source and data.
Our 1st lecture covered source and data  and how with simply manipulation one can make stats justfy anything you like..
Sort of  make the facts fit a predetermined thought or concept, rather than have them determine the thought / concept.
 Our politicians are real bad (or good depends on your piont of veiw) at it...
 The the real experts, the conspirousy theorists...whos preconceived concept alows then to totally ignore any data on the basis that their beilfs will be gone out the window and have a read face.

So personally I prefer the read face  and untill data comes to light that  me being due for a hair cut and weather /tides on the waikato bar go good...Its about 6 weeks to the next lockdown.
OH and I do not own a 5G phone, but like 99% of households who have internet have 5G active in our household and all neighbouring households... from way before Covid ever existed.

Sorry for ranting on.....I was suggesting it was more likely people illegally gaining passage on ships and circumventing security that may have led to the recent outbreak.