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Unfortunately despite the information being readily available to anyone actually wanting to know what actually happened those who shout the loudest are usually wrong. 

Trump does and did claim that the Mueller report exonerated him as seen here


Of course that is not correct. You can all read what Mueller concluded below. 

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Originally posted by Muppet Muppet wrote:



To label Trump voters that being conservative uneducated is highly disrespectful in my opinion. The best commentators on the current social climate are all conservative in my humble opinion.

Of course it isn’t disrespectful. It’s not an opinion, it’s a fact. 

Sure it doesn’t mean everyone who voted for Trump in 2016 is uneducated. It just means that Trump supporters are on average significantly less likely to be well educated

Among whites, the difference is greater: those without a college degree backed Mr Trump over Mrs Clinton by a margin of more than two to one.

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Originally posted by smudge smudge wrote:

Originally posted by Fishy11 Fishy11 wrote:

Honest question Reel Deal (i know it's obviously hard for you to be honest).
But are you just doing this to get a kick? to be a troll?
You're stating things over and over that are factually incorrect.
Even when you try to provide evidence to support your argument the evidence actually goes against what you are saying - case in point the Guardian article that doesn't state any particular person colluded with Russia, but that's evidence to youWacko
I'm pretty sure 3x legal investigations saying no collusion hold more weight than a Guardian article NOT stating anyone colluded with Russia.lol.
It's obvious you are somewhat delusional and suffering from ostrich parasitic syndrome so i'm off to go do something more worthwhile with my time, laters.

Fishy, do you have to be such a cock with your delivery? Yeah, we know you're smart, no need to be so arrogant. A prime example is your criticism of a grammatical error - ohhh no! No space between no & one.  FFS man, if you're going to be a spelling cop just to be a smartarse at least sort your own act out.
 




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Fair enough about the whole grammar thing(for the record though it was actually know one vs no one. Not about the space between the two words but no worries).
Do you also need to refer to me as a cock to get your point across, probably not but somewhat debatable.LOL
I'll try and play nice and stop being such a cock as you so eloquently put it. Cheers
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So where in the Mueller Report does it say the Trump Campaign was found to have colluded with Russia? and who as part of the Trump campaign found to have done so?

Who was charged and convicted of colluding with Russia?
What's that, it doesn't, and no member of the Trump campaign has been charged and convicted of colluding with Russia as was stated by Reel Deal.
I'm still waiting to hear the names of these 6 people who were convicted of Russian collusion?

A few simple questions that neither of you can answer. As you were though.

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Originally posted by whippersnappyr whippersnappyr wrote:

Originally posted by Muppet Muppet wrote:



To label Trump voters that being conservative uneducated is highly disrespectful in my opinion. The best commentators on the current social climate are all conservative in my humble opinion.


Of course it isn’t disrespectful. It’s not an opinion, it’s a fact. 

Sure it doesn’t mean everyone who voted for Trump in 2016 is uneducated. It just means that Trump supporters are on average significantly less likely to be well educated

<span style="caret-color: rgb18, 18, 18; color: rgb18, 18, 18; font-family: MiloTE, MiloTESec, Charter, "Bitstream Charter", "Iowan Old Style", "Calisto MT", serif; font-size: 20.25px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: 100%;">Among whites, the difference is greater: those without a college degree backed Mr Trump over Mrs Clinton by a margin of more than two to one.</span>



Haha so what are you saying? They should not vote? I got a good one for ya I left school with minimal education but I can still debate and run rings around most with plain common sense.

I could apply that uneducated voter reasoning here in NZ.
But I won't I respect the individual right to vote as much as it might annoy me sometimes.
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Man...I just wanted to talk about American politics,not about cocks smudge. (Sadface man) Im out.
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Originally posted by Muppet Muppet wrote:

Originally posted by whippersnappyr whippersnappyr wrote:

Originally posted by Muppet Muppet wrote:



To label Trump voters that being conservative uneducated is highly disrespectful in my opinion. The best commentators on the current social climate are all conservative in my humble opinion.


Of course it isn’t disrespectful. It’s not an opinion, it’s a fact. 

Sure it doesn’t mean everyone who voted for Trump in 2016 is uneducated. It just means that Trump supporters are on average significantly less likely to be well educated

<span style="caret-color: rgb18, 18, 18; color: rgb18, 18, 18; font-family: MiloTE, MiloTESec, Charter, "Bitstream Charter", "Iowan Old Style", "Calisto MT", serif; font-size: 20.25px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: 100%;">Among whites, the difference is greater: those without a college degree backed Mr Trump over Mrs Clinton by a margin of more than two to one.</span>



Haha so what are you saying? They should not vote? I got a good one for ya I left school with minimal education but I can still debate and run rings around most with plain common sense.

I could apply that uneducated voter reasoning here in NZ.
But I won't I respect the individual right to vote as much as it might annoy me sometimes.

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Originally posted by Fishy11 Fishy11 wrote:

whippersnappyr-
So where in the Mueller Report does it say the Trump Campaign was found to have colluded with Russia? and who as part of the Trump campaign found to have done so?

Who was charged and convicted of colluding with Russia?
What's that, it doesn't, and no member of the Trump campaign has been charged and convicted of colluding with Russia as was stated by Reel Deal.
I'm still waiting to hear the names of these 6 people who were convicted of Russian collusion?

A few simple questions that neither of you can answer. As you were though.


Collusion is not a crime. If you are going to try to influence others it helps to have some inkling of what you’re talking about. 

Anyway I’m not here to run rings around you. There are other members who may have more open minds.
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As a side note, the whole 'liberal' vs 'conservative' thing in 2020 is an absolute have.
Most US 'liberals' aren't liberals in the true sense, 1960's hipi sense.
Liberal - Liberty - Freedom.   Liberal doesn't mean censoring people, cancel culture, identity politics etc like the left pushes every chance it gets.
On the 'conservative' side of things it's becoming an ever shrinking portion of the right. Most voting right of centre be it in the U.S or NZ aren't very conservative in the social sense, church, god, hate the gays, evolution isn't a thing etc. Most are far more libertarian or fiscally conservative for individual rights and the constitution.

Obviously i'm not saying full bore bible bashing conservatives aren't a thing but it's certainly not the vast majority of people voting right of centre.

A national led government(supposedly a centre right party, debatable in recent times imo but that's a whole other thing) legalized gay marriage in NZ in 2013 if memory serves me right.

Hillary Clinton was opposed to it up until the last few years and her husband even signed a bill prohibiting it as president. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/social-issues/hillary-clinton-had-the-chance-to-make-gay-rights-history-she-refused/2016/08/28/843a5cfc-58cf-11e6-9767-f6c947fd0cb8_story.html
Doesn't seem very 'liberal' for a democrat....

See how the whole painting anyone who votes for candidate x or y as then being mutually exclusive to either the 'liberal' or 'conservative' label doesn't really stack up.
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That is correct Fishy11.
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Originally posted by whippersnappyr whippersnappyr wrote:

Originally posted by Fishy11 Fishy11 wrote:

whippersnappyr-
So where in the Mueller Report does it say the Trump Campaign was found to have colluded with Russia? and who as part of the Trump campaign found to have done so?

Who was charged and convicted of colluding with Russia?
What's that, it doesn't, and no member of the Trump campaign has been charged and convicted of colluding with Russia as was stated by Reel Deal.
I'm still waiting to hear the names of these 6 people who were convicted of Russian collusion?

A few simple questions that neither of you can answer. As you were though.


Collusion is not a crime. If you are going to try to influence others it helps to have some inkling of what you’re talking about. 

Anyway I’m not here to run rings around you. There are other members who may have more open minds.


Reel Deal stated people had been jailed for Russian collusion.
I disagreed and asked for names and what they were convicted of pertaining to collusion with Russia.
You are correct in saying collusion itself would not be what one would be charged with(if that's what you're getting at) however the various investigations were of a criminal nature, to investigate if crimes had been committed. If so one would then be charged with what is applicable under U.S law. No crimes were found to have been committed as per the Mueller investigation and the previous two investigations. That's not my opinion, it literally says it in the screenshot you posted.
Run rings around me?LOL Haha please. You mean like the previous three times you tried righto. Work on running to your letter box and back first eh.

(Smudge i know that goes against what i said about playing nice but it is proportionate to the post being replied to IMO)

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Low energy fishy. You seem to associate a lack of engagement with victory. I’m sure if you think about it harder you’ll be able to generate other explanations. 
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Originally posted by Fishy11 Fishy11 wrote:

Originally posted by smudge smudge wrote:

Originally posted by Fishy11 Fishy11 wrote:

Honest question Reel Deal (i know it's obviously hard for you to be honest).
But are you just doing this to get a kick? to be a troll?
You're stating things over and over that are factually incorrect.
Even when you try to provide evidence to support your argument the evidence actually goes against what you are saying - case in point the Guardian article that doesn't state any particular person colluded with Russia, but that's evidence to youWacko
I'm pretty sure 3x legal investigations saying no collusion hold more weight than a Guardian article NOT stating anyone colluded with Russia.lol.
It's obvious you are somewhat delusional and suffering from ostrich parasitic syndrome so i'm off to go do something more worthwhile with my time, laters.

Fishy, do you have to be such a cock with your delivery? Yeah, we know you're smart, no need to be so arrogant. A prime example is your criticism of a grammatical error - ohhh no! No space between no & one.  FFS man, if you're going to be a spelling cop just to be a smartarse at least sort your own act out.
 




Smudge,
Fair enough about the whole grammar thing(for the record though it was actually know one vs no one. Not about the space between the two words but no worries).
Do you also need to refer to me as a cock to get your point across, probably not but somewhat debatable.LOL
I'll try and play nice and stop being such a cock as you so eloquently put it. Cheers

That's awesome buddy. You do that I won't reach into my trove of eloquent words any more. 

One thing though Fishy, it's pretty hard for me to believe you think of others as trolls, maybe it's just that inter-generational thing you seem to be so fond of.
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Got to admit Trump was funny this morning.
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Trump has won and they are trying to pull the rug from under him.
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Trump.won,I feel sorry they put biden through this sh*itshow to be honest. Voter fraud can't even help him.
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They both should have stayed home and mouths shut till the counting was done.

But Joe had to provoke when he saw himself losing.
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I don't see how you can say Trump won.  The last I looked there were 8 states in doubt.  Trump is ahead in 6 of the 8 but mathematically there are sufficient uncounted votes that could change the result.  The same goes for the 2 states where Biden leads.  I'd rather be in Trump's position and perhaps he is justified in being concerned that a truck load of Democrat votes get 'discovered' over the next few days.
As expected the media continue to be relentless on the Trump camp.  I expect they are disappointed and frustrated that despite their best efforts they have been unable to sway the American public over the last 4 years.
Either way I expect the courts to become involved.  After all it is America.      
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8?
More like 5 or 6  of which Trump was leading 5 of when they pulled the pin and decided to take their ball and run. Was pretty obvious they were going to try something like this, and the stupid msm act as though they are the ones who declare who is presidentLOL
The same people who for hours and hours wouldn't put Texas up as red lol

On another note was interesting to watch the odds go from $2.60 for Trump and $1.20ish for Biden then switch after Trump got Florida to over $4 for Biden at one point. Obviously settled a bit now $2.60 Biden and $1.50 for Trump as the favourite.
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