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hahaha good points but I wasn’t comparing Biden with Einstein that’s words put into my mouth to suit your argument. My point which may have been hard to follow is stumbling words isn’t a I Q test or a indication of decision making capabilities. 

Re BLM it seems to be forgotten it’s about police treating blacks badly and yes they treat white badly but more often black with them killing them while engaging them often with out cause of arrest. I think most reasonable people think people shouldn’t be killed if avoidable. That’s why the millions around the world support BLM. A few twats who went too far burning and rioting like football hooligans should be dealt with. It’s not or wasn’t white verses black until orange little hands got involved. 
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Anyone who thinks blm is not a hate group or terrorists is kidding themselves. Just watch what happens in philadelphia tonight..... BLM quotes " no lives matter till black lives matter" "no cops,no prison..total abolition" "all cops are b*starts"
I've seen someone say all lives matter and get dealt to. Blm are a joke,antifa are being used as a tool by blm to stoke the racism that blm say they are against...lol. One of blm founder was caught spending 200k in house furniture..... apparently black lives don't matter to the very people apparently fighting for black lives...go figure.
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Reel Deal "Einstein was a bad dyslexic. He wasn’t shouted down because of it and changed the word."
Call that whatever you will but you basically used Einstein as an example of why Joe Biden may/might not be a mess as was being said by other members. There's a big difference between stumbling on the odd word, mispronouncing words or names, using a few too many ums or oh's vs confusing people on a regular basis.
Referring to Trump as Bush and Lincoln within a couple of day time span just this week...
"i have never said i oppose fracking"   ....ok Joe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnrEh9_5_9I
You know he had brain surgery in the late 80's right....

The statistics don't actually support what you just said re U.S police interactions and BLM-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yITK_Bm78mI&t=242s
Take a look if you actually want to educate yourself on the topic - BLM is a domestic terrorist organization-change my mind.

But i forgot "Orange man bad"   you know Donald Trump, that racist guy who wasn't "racist" until he decided to run for presidentLOL
The "racist" guy who has pardoned a whole heap of African Americans wrongfully convicted that Obama and Biden obviously didn't give two sh*ts about.
Until "little orange hands" wow never heard that one before. Great well thought out argument.
I've always found it a tad ironic (when you see the people saying it) trying to use that as an insult towards a guy who's 6'3 and has a bangin wife who's 20 something years younger than him.
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Bidens worst speech yet lol
https://youtu.be/wQN0stFPySU
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there are heaps of footage of the Lying village idiot (meant as insulting) stumbling through sentences that don’t make sense even making up words as he struggles with English. So with your theory. Both shouldn’t be president.  If you focus on the debate not boxing people to attack, you will see. Umm how can I word my point so you will think hmm someone else has an opinion I’m not always right, as they aren’t but it’s healthy to debate ..I will reword it this way I use Einstein as an a example but as names inflame...if someone has infrequent communication issues like trump and Biden it doesn’t mean they are dumb or unqualified. A stutterer, isn’t a retard. Basic stuff fullas...sigh.

Again with BLM you point out some Americans prob 1% of the 10s of thousands (A probable underestimate but I say when im guessing) that marched in cities in many countries around the world Rioted. Someone stole some money, some say I hate cops kill them or take their pay away...how’s does that effect the multi cultural families and independent citizens in their thousands who marched across Australia, Canada, England etc.

Did they all riot ? Steal? Want to kill cops ?
. If answer is no. You can’t say all BLM supporters are terrorists intact most are normal people maybe your neighbour, your boss, your rubbish collection guy who don’t like seeing black people in the USA treated worse than other nationalities. All lives matter including black lives and as blacks are getting killed when they shouldn’t, the chant is BLM
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Originally posted by Reel Deal Reel Deal wrote:

Did they all riot ? Steal? Want to kill cops ?
. If answer is no. You can’t say all BLM supporters are terrorists

Never did, actually said the opposite - as per one of my previous posts:
"Does that mean anyone who utters the phrase "black lives matter" like the celebs you mentioned are terrorists, no. But to say it's not a thing and paint it as being all peaceful is b.s."

Originally posted by Reel Deal Reel Deal wrote:

If you focus on the debate not boxing people to attack, you will see.

This coming from someone who just used the "little hands" thing, as though we all forgot - orange man bad. Great argument, really helped to get your point across.
Everything i just stated in my previous posts can be substantiated i even provided links to video footage re Biden and Stats regarding BLM, police interactions / shooting people etc

Nice to see you actually addressed the points i made. Lets see:
Biden brain surgery in the late 80's? no comment
Biden saying he would ban fracking(and fossil fuels) on numerous occasions over decades then saying he never said that? no comment.
Obamas VP for 8 years, both their actions showing they don't give a sh*t about the black community and the working class? no comment.
Bidens VP Kamala Harris and her track record re black incarceration and wrongful convictions? no comment.

.....and wtf is with him playing Despacito on his phone up on stage/ at the podium. As if the Hispanic community will see that and go "yeah i want to go vote for Biden now"

The only thing Biden will help if he becomes president is in the death of the West.
If you like identity politics, socialism, communism then he's a great pick. Along with his buddies Kamala Harris, AOC and Ilhan Omar. All wonderful people who will do great things for the U.SLOL






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What I don't like about BLM is the stats don't back them up.

By far the most shootings per day in the US is black people shooting each other.
Even cops shoot more white people per year.
These are facts. You cannot endorse BLM unless the problem as a whole is being dealt with and you just don't see it.

But because certain groups endorsed by woke media and then celebs jump on a bandwagon seemingly support the bad social behaviour of these groups.

And now the political left are pretty much using them as political blackmail.
Biden says he can stop it, well he should now if indeed he can. He cannot take the moral high ground if he won't condemn the social discord.
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I agree,and those are stats muppet.
Remember earlier I said watch philly tonight...a black guy rushed cops with a knife,was shot and killed,and now the city is burning as I type this. I'm watching live streams. Just another excuse to Burn loot and destroy stuff. Oh,and don't forget...biden said antifa is just an idea....not an organized group. Looks pretty organized from where I'm sitting. All in the name.of cops "murdering" black criminals....wow.
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I just wish everyone would chill out FF but clearly the groups keep fanning the fires.

The George Lloyd incident should have its day in court and lets hear the whole story of what happened.
And let justice take its course.

I saw on the news a man here charged with killing a baby. A dog killed a baby too. When do their lives matter?
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Originally posted by Muppet Muppet wrote:

I just wish everyone would chill out FF but clearly the groups keep fanning the fires.

The George Lloyd incident should have its day in court and lets hear the whole story of what happened.
And let justice take its course.

I saw on the news a man here charged with killing a baby. A dog killed a baby too. When do their lives matter?


I wish they would stop and think too,but it's all anti establishment...nothing more,using race as a joker card. I'm not even going to comment on NZ stats on child harm and deaths,that speaks for it's self.
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agree Muppet conversation needs a  chillax. 

My understanding re BLM isn’t about who is killed the most by police so unsure the reliance of those numbers. It’s the frequency of black people are killed in unnecessary manner. And the cover up by police via disturbing scene lying, turning off cameras, saying they were attacked without camera on and against witness statements. Rubber stamped to terrorise. 

The 1% rioting in a few towns in the USA I don’t understand as they are destroying their own neighbourhoods but saw some rioter say they don’t own any of it because of them suffering institutional racisim. I like know one here has walked in their shoes so can only have a observing opinion which has little value.

Sad president orange little hands doesn’t say we are one country. We will revisit the cases highlighted by BLM but we need to treat each other with respect and go visit the families and show empathy. 

Feel sorry for USA. At a time president orange little hands says he is sorry for nz as covid here is terrible and USA is lucky not to be as bad as nz haha haha 
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Yeah that is frustrating that Trump hardly helps the situation.

But you and I both know that whatever he says or does will not be right for the majority of the media.
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Originally posted by Reel Deal Reel Deal wrote:

agree Muppet conversation needs a  chillax. 

My understanding re BLM isn’t about who is killed the most by police so unsure the reliance of those numbers. It’s the frequency of black people are killed in unnecessary manner. And the cover up by police via disturbing scene lying, turning off cameras, saying they were attacked without camera on and against witness statements. Rubber stamped to terrorise. 

The 1% rioting in a few towns in the USA I don’t understand as they are destroying their own neighbourhoods but saw some rioter say they don’t own any of it because of them suffering institutional racisim. I like know one here has walked in their shoes so can only have a observing opinion which has little value.

Sad president orange little hands doesn’t say we are one country. We will revisit the cases highlighted by BLM but we need to treat each other with respect and go visit the families and show empathy. 

Feel sorry for USA. At a time president orange little hands says he is sorry for nz as covid here is terrible and USA is lucky not to be as bad as nz haha haha 

Well a black car yard owner just had 15 cars stolen by black rioters so that sort.of goes against the perceived narrative a bit. BLM is a terrorist organization,more whites are killed by police than blacks,.....I don't see white lives matter out there,cause there is not a WLM organization. The MSM and FB and YT are sensoring the hell out of it....for some odd reason. Blm is about creating chaos,and blaming white people for perceived oppression.....if america was so racist would obama have been president? Anyway....carry on.
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Reel Deal -  You seem to have a narrative firmly fixed in your mind and no matter what evidence is presented you keep going back to the same false narrative. None of the evidence really supports what you keep saying, about black people being killed by police in the U.S.

If you go through the data the number of unjustified killings of black people by police in the U.S is actually pretty small(that's not to say that it's not a thing or that even 1 is fine) but the vast majority of times someone is shot by police in the US it is deemed to be justified regardless of race. There is a difference between the two.

The whole U.S vs NZ thing? really. Yeah it's not like the U.S have ever saved our bacon.....
It's not like the U.S has influenced modern western society and culture in a positive way more than any other single nation post ww2.
Think of music, movies, tech, all sorts of innovation etc. Where are all the big tech giants from, where did all the big bands of the last 70 years go to make it big etc etc.
Largest economy in the world, ever. A nation with land borders and 350,000,000+ people. Don't get me wrong of course there's things wrong with the U.S as a nation, i'm not saying there isn't.
But hey, lets compare the U.S to a small island nation at the bottom of the world that no one(that's how you actually spell no one) even gives a toss about.
To even compare the two is utterly naive and ignorant.
Yeah i bet Cindys job and what she has to deal with is on par what the president of the U.S has to deal with(whoever that is or may be).

Your hatred of a certain orange man seems to blind you, massively.
I'm not saying one should like they guy, i couldn't care less.
I get why he rubs some people the wrong way.
But to ignore all the areas where he has bettered the previous administration of Obama and Biden is just plain stupid.


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Haha Reel Deal- nah, I'm not MAGA or pro-Trump. But I do find it amusing that a statement such as MAGA is now considered a far-right, white supremacist statement?! Even in this country our media pounced on Todd Muller for having a MAGA hat in his office and another young Nat MP was vilified by the media for appearing in a photo for wearing a MAGA hat(and was no doubt consequently swamped by threats from the peaceful, woke left).

I do think there are some seriously bad players at work pulling strings to inflame and divide the US. From the right as well as the left, but it's the lefties who are the ones burning, looting and rioting in the cities over there.

Scary article I just read about the soaring weapons sales in the US right now - apparently ~20% of people surveyed on both sides indicated that violence would be somewhat justified if their side loses.

I'm certainly glad we don't have such division over here (or the amount of weapons).
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Try buying 3 boxes of .762 in the USA...good.luck. america is in trouble, that's obvious. MSM is trying so hard to spin things,and it may just work. Censorship is so predominantly associated with the left is amazing to see play out.
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Originally posted by Mossy Mossy wrote:

Haha Reel Deal- nah, I'm not MAGA or pro-Trump. But I do find it amusing that a statement such as MAGA is now considered a far-right, white supremacist statement?! Even in this country our media pounced on Todd Muller for having a MAGA hat in his office and another young Nat MP was vilified by the media for appearing in a photo for wearing a MAGA hat(and was no doubt consequently swamped by threats from the peaceful, woke left).

I do think there are some seriously bad players at work pulling strings to inflame and divide the US. From the right as well as the left, but it's the lefties who are the ones burning, looting and rioting in the cities over there.

Scary article I just read about the soaring weapons sales in the US right now - apparently ~20% of people surveyed on both sides indicated that violence would be somewhat justified if their side loses.

I'm certainly glad we don't have such division over here (or the amount of weapons).

We may not have the weapons, however we are being deliberately divided. Programs of racial division are well and truly enshrined, implemented and promoted within our political/societal system.
New Zealand as a whole seems to accept it and even applaud the institutionalized apartheid and racism practiced in this country.
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Yeah just read about the gun sales.
Wowsers.
I feel sorry for the vast majority of Americans who probably just accept the results and get on with life.
That is the crux of the problem I think people just not accepting the result.

Already moved on from our election just got a big bag of popcorn for the next three years handy lmao
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We may not have the weapons, however we are being deliberately divided. Programs of racial division are well and truly enshrined, implemented and promoted within our political/societal system.
New Zealand as a whole seems to accept it and even applaud the institutionalized apartheid and racism practiced in this country.
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Oh, 100% agree. It is shameful how successive governments - on both sides of the political spectrum - allow and/or encourage this division. The media are just as guilty. 

But by less division over here I was more meaning that lefties and righties can still sit and have a beer together without things getting nasty. I don't really care how anyone votes - however much I may disagree with their choice - as long as they do vote. I'll accept whatever results and bite my tongue if necessary.
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Agree Mossy.

Watching live now Obama speaking, well shouting on a Biden podium.
Why is he involved? It is a kind of rule that ex presidents stand down and butt out is it not?
Plus he sounded terrible all shouty not the same aa when he was in office. If you see it.
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