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Originally posted by fish-feeder fish-feeder wrote:

No link...try using Google...it's totally fine to look for yourself đź‘Ť


I did Google, and all the "BLM" affiliated websites at the top of the results didn't really have anything that jumped out at me.

You made the claim that the website exists, you provide the link. Put up or shut up; the burden of proof lies with the person making the claim.

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 went to BLM site read the about BLM and was tempted to join. Justice for brutality. Confront white supremacy. All good values and tshirts look like quality at a good price. 

For balance looked up Chumps Proud boys. Google shows this first line “ The Proud Boys is a far-right and neo-fascist male-only organization that promotes and engages in political violence in the United States and Canada.”

Also Proud boys is a gay men’s movement. So something for everyone it seems.
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Well BLM removed a page it seems
https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/blm-removes-website-language-blasting-nuclear-family-structure/
Join up...donate your money...sounds good to me. And I don't really care about the proud boys,what I'm saying is none have been arrested for shooting people,like antifa/blm has...it's not that hard to understand...really....is it?
Argue with yourself mate lol.
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One thing that stands out about Donald Trump ---is he is the first president since the early 1970s who has not started a war.
On that basis all the rest is academic.
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Originally posted by fish-feeder fish-feeder wrote:

Well BLM removed a page it seems
[URL=[URL=[URL=https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/blm-removes-website-language-blasting-nuclear-family-structure/%5d%5d]https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/blm-removes-website-language-blasting-nuclear-family-structure/%5d][/URL][URL=https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/blm-removes-website-language-blasting-nuclear-family-structure/%5d]https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/blm-removes-website-language-blasting-nuclear-family-structure/][/URL][/URL][URL=[URL=https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/blm-removes-website-language-blasting-nuclear-family-structure/%5b%5d]https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/blm-removes-website-language-blasting-nuclear-family-structure/%5b][/URL][URL=https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/blm-removes-website-language-blasting-nuclear-family-structure/%5b]https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/blm-removes-website-language-blasting-nuclear-family-structure/[[/URL][/URL]/URL]
Join up...donate your money...sounds good to me. And I don't really care about the proud boys,what I'm saying is none have been arrested for shooting people,like antifa/blm has...it's not that hard to understand...really....is it?
Argue with yourself mate lol.


1. This is what the website said about the "nuclear family":
[I]We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable[/I]

Yes, yes, sounds like they are out to "destroy the nuclear family". Read less Fox News...

EDIT: I don't think you ever actually read that page on their website. I think you read an opinion piece about it, and believed it without independently confirming anything.

2.
[URL=[URL=https://www.insider.com/right-wing-extremist-shot-minneapolis-police-precinct-during-protests-prosecutors-2020-10%5d]https://www.insider.com/right-wing-extremist-shot-minneapolis-police-precinct-during-protests-prosecutors-2020-10][/URL][URL=https://www.insider.com/right-wing-extremist-shot-minneapolis-police-precinct-during-protests-prosecutors-2020-10%5b]https://www.insider.com/right-wing-extremist-shot-minneapolis-police-precinct-during-protests-prosecutors-2020-10[[/URL]/URL]
[URL=[URL=https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/proud-boys-member-alan-swinney-arrested-oregon-12-charges/%5d]https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/proud-boys-member-alan-swinney-arrested-oregon-12-charges/][/URL][URL=https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/proud-boys-member-alan-swinney-arrested-oregon-12-charges/%5b]https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/proud-boys-member-alan-swinney-arrested-oregon-12-charges/[[/URL]/URL]
[URL=[URL=https://www.newsweek.com/proud-boys-rushed-attacked-black-lives-matter-supporters-1530187%5d]https://www.newsweek.com/proud-boys-rushed-attacked-black-lives-matter-supporters-1530187][/URL][URL=https://www.newsweek.com/proud-boys-rushed-attacked-black-lives-matter-supporters-1530187%5b]https://www.newsweek.com/proud-boys-rushed-attacked-black-lives-matter-supporters-1530187[[/URL]/URL]
[URL=[URL=https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/22/nyregion/proud-boys-antifa-sentence.html%5d]https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/22/nyregion/proud-boys-antifa-sentence.html][/URL][URL=https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/22/nyregion/proud-boys-antifa-sentence.html%5b]https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/22/nyregion/proud-boys-antifa-sentence.html[[/URL]/URL]

Does the name "Kyle Rittenhouse" mean anything to you?
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And with that, I'm going to step away from this awesome thread until the election results are locked in. It is like a case study in confirmation bias.

Have fun, everyone. And read balanced news sources, for crying out loud.
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Originally posted by Reel Deal Reel Deal wrote:

 went to BLM site read the about BLM and was tempted to join. Justice for brutality. Confront white supremacy. All good values and tshirts look like quality at a good price. 

For balance looked up Chumps Proud boys. Google shows this first line “ The Proud Boys is a far-right and neo-fascist male-only organization that promotes and engages in political violence in the United States and Canada.”

Also Proud boys is a gay men’s movement. So something for everyone it seems.


BLM has recently changed it's mission statement/ description on it's website just prior to the U.S election. Which previously spoke about disrupting the western nuclear family and it's values.
BLM founders also describe themselves as trained Marxists.
Their words not mine.
https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/blm-removes-website-language-blasting-nuclear-family-structure/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8759959/BLM-removes-page-mentions-disrupting-Western-nuclear-family-website.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM5zUwiCTzw
https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/blm-co-founder-describes-herself-as-trained-marxist/

Proud boys was started by Gavin McInnes(vice co founder, comedian, writer, political commentator) as a joke/bit of fun men's club. Gavin's wife is Native American and they have mixed race children.
They describe themselves as Western chauvinists, as in they believe the "west is the best" which i personally agree with for the most part.
They are not far right white white supremacists as often described by the msm or what your google search tells you. They literally have  Proud Boys Africa and Proud Boys Israel groups.
Gavin has been banned by most social media platforms but is on censored.tv along with a whole heap of others on the right banned by big tech, as an example - Milo Yiannopoulos, right wing political commentator who is gay and married to a black man, also a far right white supremacist according to the msm and big tech.
The current leader of the Proud Boys Enrique Tarrio is Afro cuban, he is also the leader of Latinos for Trump. Proud Boys actually has more minority members(Black, Hispanic, Asian, Gay etc) than what are usually represented in the general population.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDfbJ85M3WI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyGgqApYuO0
If you actually want to educate yourself on who the proud boys are maybe check out the 2 clips above. You might even have a few laughs watching the second one with Gavin. Your choice though if you want to be an ostrich i guess.

Regarding your last statement in your post, i thought the left was meant to be excepting of minorities...Wink




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I don't read fox news sorry. And yes,I know of Kyle...I saw the event unfold live actually. The kid was threatened by antifa earlier in the night,was chased and shot at,ran away and then fell over and attacked by 3 people,he shot a guy just as the guy was about to execute him and blew his bicep out. He's not a proud boy,and acted in self defence.
I've been watching the riots for months,which I'd assume you havnt,so your wasting your time trying to go back and forth with me Roz. Blm is a Marxist organization,admitted by the founders,they done care about black people,top their members even spent donations on themselves....but carry on anyway.
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as I said something for everyone,
 How is that knocking Proudboys LGTB movement? 

I’m not sure what someone’s skin colour or ethnicity has anything to do with racist organisations. Even Hitler wasn’t full German yet he killed people because they weren’t of for other reasons. Nope not saying proudboys leader is hitler just pointing out it’s what you say and do that makes... you.

I believe BLM, National Party, Labour, proud boys are all mixed match groups of humans. Each doesn’t think for others in their given group. Humans do dumb things as much as good things. Bad and good in every organisation.  To label BLM as violent anarchists is a classic making another group an enemy so makes it easier to attack. When you see large groups of mums and children from all races walking the streets excerising their democratic right is a beautiful thing. If at night small numbers gangsters chant the same thing then destroy and fight back against the police doesn’t mean BLM demonstrators are bad, just a few thugs like a few of the proud boys thugs, or some of the police thugs etc etc.

Same as Rozboon I got a bit more going on in my life than this fun thread but will pop in from time to time. I am researching launches after my rayglass deal didn’t happen. Might yell out if anyone knows anything about Formula 39 Specials?
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Originally posted by smudge smudge wrote:

Originally posted by Rozboon Rozboon wrote:

Out of interest Fishy, and no obligation to answer... what's your demographic? Age range, region, level of education?

I'll start, 30-35, Wellington, Trade qualified but no tertiary education.

My guess? Late 20's to early 30's. High IQ, definitely Uni educated in business, politics or another form of academia. He is a bright boy our Fishy. Wealthy too. Interests are fishing, fast cars and boomer bashing. Just my thoughts and only in fun Fishy - but am I close?

Total opposite to me I hope. Left school at 15, raised in Otangerei & Glen Innes. Left school at 15. IQ of 92. One of those 'facts' are wrong. Big smile


First off to your question Rozboon i do tend to side more towards what Muppet has said regarding identity politics and making judgements of people based off there age, ethnicity etc

With that being said, no i am not an "uneducated old white man" and no i don't personally care if that is the case with anyone, it's not how i judge ones character anyway.

Smudge, have you got some sort of clairvoyant ability you haven't told us about? I think that kind of answers your questionWink
Boomer bashing? Really oh come on, that implies you actually identify as a boomer which you don't have to ya know, it is 2020 after all.
....I actually would have accepted sh*t stirring arsehole but i think that's probably already quite obvious to mostLOL


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I'm just disappointed in myself for trying to reason with someone who actually believed the Hunter Biden Laptop story.

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Originally posted by Rozboon Rozboon wrote:

I'm just disappointed in myself for trying to reason with someone who actually believed the Hunter Biden Laptop story.


So do you reckon Tony Bobulinski is full of sh*t? or do you not even know who that is? honest question.
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There are YouTube videos of our fishy friend. He is youngish. Don’t know about his education but you’ve got to wonder reading the drivel in this thread. I’d guess reasonably smart but not that well educated. 

He doesn’t make very strong arguments and has never actually successful refuted a challenge made to him. Instead he just spews a range of irrelevant claims, taunts or challenges to any critique of his views.
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Sucks to be me i guessLOL
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trump is and always was a loser. Which the educated knew. His fan boys (proud boys ) now got to find another thicko...need to search someone with even more than 6 bankruptcies, elite upbringing  and no mates.  I’m sure America has even more losers to head the uneducated, lying, self absorbed simple people. Just hope they get a different colour next time. Orange was gross.

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Hehe, nah wasn't referring to myself as being boomer bashed. I identify as a snowflake even though I'm of boomer age Big smile
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Was at a casino evening for a local fishing club tonight (awesome night actually) , it seems this post in particular and other political posts on here keeps a few casual observers who are members well entertained and is welcome distraction for many of us from our usual mundane real life problems.  
So we should certainly carry on, even if will never agree or stop ribbing each other. I don’t think for a moment we are going to agree on much, or get to the bottom of many (if not any)  of the issues. But it does  provide a vent and outlet for a few with varying perspectives,  and as I was informed tonight quite a bit of entertainment and interest  for the wider audience, especially on some of more outrageous stuff spouted.


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Bang on Shane it is very funny.

Congrats to Joe, now the rioting will stop and Covid will be halted in its tracks.
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Originally posted by cirrus cirrus wrote:

One thing that stands out about Donald Trump ---is he is the first president since the early 1970s who has not started a war.
On that basis all the rest is academic.
 
No but if he hangs around long enough he may start one in the USA WinkLOL
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Originally posted by reel crayze reel crayze wrote:

Originally posted by cirrus cirrus wrote:

One thing that stands out about Donald Trump ---is he is the first president since the early 1970s who has not started a war.
On that basis all the rest is academic.
 
No but if he hangs around long enough he may start one in the USA WinkLOL


 Well hes done his best to start several civil wars.. white /non white  Dem/ republican  (both along same lines to the American Civil war.)
If The countries and their leaders hes insulted, stabbed in the back where not allies that would be more wars.
And The death toll from a federal presidential leadership point of view  has caused more deaths in a shorter time than the Americans (civilian and military) in 1st WW, 2nd WW, Korean War, Viet Nam , 1st gulf, 2nd gulf  and Afghanistan.
 Then trow in his response to the few hurricanes and the fires gone thru...
Well on that basis of death, hardship, destruction , the guy has done far more than if he had gone to war...
I do not see "not starting a war" as a positive.
 To start a war needs some sort of co ordinated competence.
 To All or any of the above requires extreme in competence and fire anyone who is competent.


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