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Tagit you have just described the 40,000 (think thats the correct stat) of 18 to 24 yr olds unemployed....considering the total is about 120,000, thats a big 30% chunk... which is rather unique historically.

For many decades, maybe 100yrs now , anything under 5% has been considered  'full' employment.. or basically 5% are unemployable..
 We had this same effect back in the 50s, and immigration housing issues... then again in the late 60s 70s..bring in the skilled poms and Islanders.. and with associated infrastructure housing issues.

But that still doesnt explain the unique 30% of unemplo9yment is 18 to24 'employable' yr olds
 So yes we have a social attitude problem.. a work ethic  and "an inflated sense of entitlement."
 Personally I think this is because we live in a very unique part of history and we in this country are part of the elite and fortunate 10% of the worlds population that can actually choose what they want to have for dinner...  and have been that way for several generations.
 Previous to that, and with much of the other 90% of the world population we. they have major economic depression,  wars, rationing. No freedom of choice.
 Remove the freedom of choice and the PC do gooders stand up and essence claim the 40,000 18 to 24 yrs olds have the right to 'choice' at the expense of the tax payer.

Here is another real creep reflection.. we bring in approx 40K to 60,000 temp workers to milk our cows pic our fruit.... and what they pay in tax is pretty damn close to what the 18 to 24 employable , but unemployed get to remain unemployed.

 One our sons runs his own company.. hes under 30... hes looking for 2 more guys who can earn up around 2K per week...after tax.. full training.
He has to employ Croatians..
 Other younger son a retail manager...will not even employ any of his m8s, has employed a m8s sister thu.. and working out well.. and prefers to go short staffed than mess around with young kiwi staff... rest are new  NZers.

Suggestion.. look beyond young male NZers... even thu work maybe heavy, or considered unsuitable... females.
Yeah I know this is illegal whatever...but when comes to NEEDING good staff....
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Would be curious to know what kind of work your son is offering- Sounds like a trade where long hard hours come with the work? That's more than what I make as a Maths teacher (5+ years of post school education to get there.)

Plenty of young New Zealanders out there who are willing to work hard. Plenty of others who are not. I see all types in the classroom. 


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Originally posted by Tagit Tagit wrote:

I have employed quite a few people on a short term basis in the past few years. Some I wanted to turn into long term employees if they worked out. Bottom line is that when I have experimented with hiring at the 'low end' of the market you find that work output is very low. Poor attitudes, drugs, low work ethic etc seem to be serious issues. Hire someone, give them a couple of days training and their first pay packet only to find that they disappear for the next week until they run out of money and come back with some story about being sick or a dead relative etc. The other major thing that is reasonably common is an inflated sense of entitlement. I have had 18 year old guys who think it is unreasonable that I expect them to turn up at 9:00am rather than anytime they like between 9:00am and midday.
If you are a hard working small business owner you have to either grab them out of school before they (hopefully) learn bad habits and hope you choose well, or go through a huge number of trials to find that one 'diamond'. 
My summary observation is that our social policies have created a segment of society that aren't productive enough to earn the money they need to survive properly at today's costs. Question is how to do you change that? Throwing more 'free' money at them will just entrench the behaviour.
Yes agree with above and is why I am self employed and not an employer....
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Just read this.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11918168&ref=rss
 national want toget tough and do something that may help sort a bad social issue out.. with support measures
 Labour at the bottom.. typical PC meaningless rhetorical BS with no real soln at all to a major economic and social problem.
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NZ is starting to wake up


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Yeah I believe that one more. I don't know if One News polling company just calls South Auckland all the time LOL Because I have only met one Labour voter so far.
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Just voted - TOP for party and Labour local representation.
 
Done...next topic
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For anyone that more interested in policy than rhetoric and scaremongering here is Labour's recently released fisheries policy.
 
While it could certainly do with more detail, this is at least a document for them to be held accountable to, if they were to get into power.
 
It is talking the right language and it is certainly a lot better than what the current Government is intending on doing... which is absolutely nothing except bowing down to their corporate, quota-holding, party sponsors and allowing the things to continue as normal...
 

Abundant, sustainable fisheries in a healthy marine environment

Labour’s primary focus will be on ensuring that our fisheries are sustainable and abundant and that ocean habitats are protected from the impacts of terrestrial and marine activities.  Our current fisheries system lacks transparency and accountability –it has too many confusing and conflicting laws, regulations and rules, and not enough clarity about how all those measures are supposed to be achieved.

 

 
 

 

 

Labour will:

Set clear, scientifically justifiable targets for rebuilding fisheries to sustainable levels and standards for managing the impacts of fishing on the environment; enable and facilitate fisheries resource users to meet those targets and standards; and develop cost-effective monitoring and auditing systems to ensure they are met.

 

Sedimentation and other adverse effects of land-based activities are damaging fisheries habitat, particularly for valuable inshore fisheries such as snapper, rock lobster and paua and also for aquaculture.

 

Labour will:

 Review the Resource Management Act to promote integrated management and protect fisheries habitats and aquaculture areas from the impacts of land-based activities.

 

Inshore fisheries are valued by customary, recreational and commercial fishers.  Our focus will be on ensuring that abundant inshore fisheries meet the needs of all users.  Where fisheries need to be rebuilt, all sectors should share responsibility for sustaining our fisheries and improving abundance.

Labour will:

 Expect all fishing sectors to share responsibility for improving the abundance of inshore fisheries.

 

It is unacceptable that we do not have accurate information on all catches from our fisheries.  If we cannot measure what is taken, we cannot manage it effectively.  Priorities for improvement include the accurate and verifiable reporting of all commercial harvest, including fish discarded at sea. Priorities also include more frequent use of existing recreational harvest survey methodologies and improvements through self-reporting with smartphone apps.
 

Labour will:

 Obtain accurate information on commercial fishing activity, making use of new technology while also considering and correcting the underlying incentives that drive misreporting and illegal discarding, and will work alongside industry to develop practical solutions to minimise discarding in multi-species fisheries.

 

Improving local recreational fishing

For many years governments have put recreational fishing in the ‘too hard’ basket, with the result that the interests of recreational fishers have been poorly served by fisheries management decisions.  This situation has disadvantaged recreational fishing interests when decisions are made at both the national and regional levels.  We will establish improved representation of all recreational fishing interests at the national level to government and the industry. Improvements will also be made to the government working alongside existing fishing clubs and associations to advocate for  finer-scale management of species that are highly valued by local recreational fishers (fishers in the Hauraki Gulf have different needs than those in Fiordland).  We will focus on recreational fishers working collectively with government, inshore commercial interests and other stakeholders to improve the recreational fishing experience while enhancing the sustainability of fish stocks.

 

Labour will:

 Work alongside the recreational fishing sector to design and implement improved representation of their concerns and priorities at both the national and regional levels and with the aim of improving the fishing experience for all New Zealanders now and for generations to come. 

 

Collaboration and integration

 

 

The marine environment is subject to many competing uses and values, and Labour sees the way forward is through collaborative approaches and negotiated solutions for reconciling these different interests.  While stakeholder collaborative groups have a good track record in New Zealand, to date they have operated in a somewhat ad-hoc manner and –although they have the worthy aim of promoting more integrated decision making –their solutions have been implemented by special legislation which ends up making national-scale oceans management more complex.  We want to build on the strengths of existing collaborative planning initiatives while reducing the costs of reaching negotiated solutions and achieving better integration with national-scale management regimes.

 

 

 

 

 

Labour will:

 Improve decision making, while retaining a diversity of solutions and outcomes to suit the range of issues that communities face.

 

Maori have rights and interests in all sectors of New Zealand’s fisheries –customary non-commercial, recreational and commercial –and also have responsibilities deriving from kaitiakitanga.

These rights and interests highlight the shared nature of many inshore fisheries and the importance of upholding the Treaty principles when making management trade-offs between fishing sectors.

 

Labour will:

 Work with Maori fisheries stakeholders to ensure that the full range of Maori rights and interests in fisheries and the marine environment are able to be exercised in an integrated manner, consistent with the obligations in the Maori Fisheries Settlement.

 

Enhancing the value of seafood exports

On a global scale, New Zealand is a small seafood producer.  In order to get the best value from our seafood exports we need a greater focus on premium quality niche markets, particularly for inshore fisheries.  To do this effectively, NewZealand needs an internationally credible programme to demonstrate the origin and credentials of our seafood exports. Consumers can then be confident that New Zealand’s fisheries are safe, healthy, sustainable and ethical.  Two key elements of the programme are country of origin labelling (i.e., New Zealand branded seafood product with chain of custody to New Zealand fisheries and aquaculture) and a certification scheme in which fisheries are independently assessed against a national standard that complieswith FAO requirements.

Labour will:

 Work with industry and other stakeholders to develop a national seafood branding and certification programme to add value to New Zealand’s seafood exports.

 

Aquaculture is the world’s fastest growing primary industry, but New Zealand’s aquaculture sector still faces regulatory uncertainty, lack of security, and inconsistent management approaches around the country.

 

Labour will:

 Facilitate the development ofaquaculture within clear environmental standards.

 

Excellence in fisheries management

The Quota Management System (QMS) has overall served New Zealand well and has led the way towards fisheries management reform in several fishing nations. There is no suggestion that the QMS should be thrown out. The QMS has also provided the basis for the settlement of Maori fisheries claims. We recognize that quota rights under the QMS need to be respected. 

However, the 2016 inquiry by Michael Heron QC found serious failings by the Ministry of Primary Industries in their decision not to prosecute for fish dumping, their subsequent cover up of what has occurred and misrepresentations to their Minister, journalists and the public. Public confidence in the nation of the QMS and MPI’s oversight of it has been undermined. Industry control of electronic monitoring has added to controversy, as did the catch reconstruction report from the Universities of Oxford, Auckland and Vancouver which asserted widespread under or misreporting of catch.

The fisheries management capability of the Ministry for Primary Industries has declined in recent years.  We see that every day in the lack of strategic planning for fisheries, the long list of promises that are never delivered (e.g., fisheries management system review), the slow pace of operational decision making, the scarcity of dedicated fisheries officers and observers, and the numerous media reports of government and industry failures.  Labour will reverse that trend. 

There is a need for a dedicated, focused team of specialists who are committed to improving the management of our fisheries, including through targeted legislative reform and building strong relationships with iwi and hapū, recreational and commercial fishing representatives, the environmental sector and local councils and communities.

Labour will:

 Consider whether we should revert to a separate fisheries agency

 

 Address ways to improving our knowledge of the impact of fishing on fish stocks, while considering overseas experiences and the incentives which result

 

 Institute an independent review of the performance of both MPI and the Quota Management System

 

 Support the rehabilitation of the Kaikoura and environs paua habitat and work with all parties to ensure local and neighbouring resources are sustained

 

 Labour will implement digital reporting and monitoring systems that are cost effective, fit for purpose, and provide real fisheries management benefits –if necessary, we will defer the introduction of new systems until we are certain these objectives can be met.

 

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If they get in(cough cough) and achieve part of their policy then may reconsider in 3yrs time,they have just supported the calling of commission enquirery why have they not stood up in house and voiced their opposition to fisheries,why do it now!Ah take your minds off their tax proposals??

Dear Jacinda,

I’ve seen you on the telly, dear,
There’s quite a hullabaloo,
But taxing this and taxing that
Means my two ticks stay BLUE

You’ll tax us on our assets
There’s nothing you won’t snatch
You’ll tax us on our holidays 
You’ll tax the boat or bach

You’ve said you’ll slap a tax on fuel
So when I need the car
I can’t afford to fill it up 
I won’t get very far!

You’ll tax water by the litre
And our farms will hit the wall
Have you forgotten it’s the farmers 
Who grow food to feed us all?

You’ve said you’ll tax emissions, 
Does that mean mine as well?
If I can’t afford to fart, my dear,
Your tax can go to hell!

You’ll tax us on the things we own
Is nothing off the table?
I dread to think what else you’ll tax
As soon as you are able

I’m told you want a ‘gift’ tax
So the bit I’ve got put by
I can’t give to my grand-kids?
They can kiss my gift good-bye?

You’ll take the joy from giving
And even when I’m dead
You’ll slap me with Inheritance tax
Or take my house instead

Taxing the **** out of all of us
Is just not very nice
And I’m hoping at the polls, my dear, 
The Left will pay the price

Truth to tell, Taxinda,
I think you’ve lost the plot
You’ll not get my vote, sweetheart,
My ‘comrade’ you are not!

So thank you for reading my letter,
I’ve got things off my chest
Just leave it up to National, dear…
They really do know best.

So I’ll vote for Mr English
And his team - they’ll get it right!
A pretty smile is not enough
Goodnight, Ms Ardern…….Goodnight

Val Davis


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Taxing emissions-yep.

" YOUR CAR CAUSES HURRICANES".  Give us your money.!
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Unfortunately if you read that Labour policy statement above it is very obviously an election year type statement. It doesn't show years of active policy making with clear direction about our fisheries. It seems to show that they have identified that fisheries might be worth a few votes so time to throw a 'policy' out about it that might gather those votes. National did the same thing last time and I was gutted to hear how many people on here and elsewhere actually believed that they had real intent. Next election and nothing done. If a election year policy has no real detail then mostly it is just words to gather votes with little real commitment for action in that party.
Labours statement is all about Labour will - review, consider, study, facilitate, work with, support, address etc etc. If they really had a true focus on our fisheries it would be saying Labour will - and then list definite actions that are already thought through, not just say (in effect) that they are going to think about it.
That's how I read it at least.
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More evidence that a dead cat can bounce and ... fall
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Originally posted by pjc pjc wrote:

NZ is starting to wake up


 
More evidence that a dead cat can bounce and ... fall back.
 
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Tagit is again on the money above.. I have said this before.. it is very rare a party ill make something non-negotiable.. and its usually a minor party who state this, before the election and before treasury bench negotiations.
 Classic examples was
Sue Bradfords/ greens  smacking policy legalisation.
Kirk pulling troops out of 'Nam
Muldoon with his scarp the super return big pay checks back to everyone

Anything else is just carefully worded vote grabbing propaganda BS.


This is what gets my goat though.
We cant get good teachers, let alone teachers, police, CEOs complain about housing unaffordablirty... which is BS no such thing
House rents living expenses went up under a socialist government.. rather than filter more real income down to middle/ low incomes, the decided to tax everyone  employers, companies, high, middle low and even beneficiaries
 As the gap increases between low/ middle  and top income earners,and housing rents etc increase  (and surprisingly housing historically has not gone through the roof) Less filters down, more tax, more subsidised
the higher the tax bill for rent /income subsidies.

The same ppl.. CEOs , education/ police, health, hospitality etc who are complaining, are the SAME ones who pay the low wages that make the housing/ rents unaffordable

It is the same CEOs employes who argue that if min wage. mid wages increase young employment issue will arise....
Yet then say those young left unemployed are unemployable.. those who are just get crap wages
 They argue prices wil increase etc....
 Well while ALL of us who pay tax, we ALL are subsidizing  the industry wage bill..
 Pay a living wage , less tax ( the tax bill is billions) and pay a living wage

Why employees espec multi nations dont want to go down this route is far less profits will go off shore...NZ is a very profitable place for them to be percapita .. they are VERY happy all of use subsidise their wage bill.

 Have the bloody balls to actually do so?

Lets Do This    ?????
So much/ most is just "vision" which is all well in good for an academic dreamer out of Uni... But if dont have the knowledge, leadership skills of beuarocrats, or solid practical hard ball proposals on HOW to do it...And If at this stage havnt got stuff all solid committed proposals... do they actually know? Can we actually consider the HOW TO is feasible?

And funny thing is, what is proposed is what has been taking place over the last few years and still gaining good momentum... eg fencing off farm springs..
Rather than "lets do this" it should be "Lets Continue To Do What is Already Well Under Way"...

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If you haven't been doing so you should read Richard Prebbles articles in the Herald. Yes we know he has his own agenda and some of it might be drivel, but at the same time I think he makes the occasional good point about where Labour are at right now. Made me think about a few things at least.
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HaHa see she has flipped floped on tax introductions,will wait til or if she gets elected.
Now " Steps " It is the same CEOs employes who argue that if min wage. mid wages increase young employment issue will arise....
Yet then say those young left unemployed are unemployable.. those who are just get crap wages.  Really?
I am have been in a position at work to hire staff and the rate is above $24ph
Monday,yeah mate I will be there at 8.00pm,NO SHOW
Tuesday yep 2.30am fine ,so I am to go with Joe blow,ANOTHER NO SHOW,
Wednesday 11.00am,yep thats me ,teamed him up with a driver and 5 minutes later driving out of the yard in his car.
Today 7.00am another no show
Now I know what the problem is,no bugger wants to use their hands,they think the load somehow appears on the truck and unloads it self,ALL NZers,2 hrs ago 3 migrant workers came in said what they want  and no problem using hands,so these 3 will now join the other 3 migrants,stuff trying to hire Kiwis.
some catch fish seems I like to feed them so you can catch them.
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Pretty much my experience as well pjc. We do have an issue in NZ with our 'unemployable' minority but surely we should be looking at how we make more of them employable rather than pulling in more migrants and just accepting failure in youth employment. I don't have the answer. Maybe the Nats boot camps might work for some. Can't see how it will do much harm at least. The underlying observation I have made is that there is a very low level of self discipline amongst other issues and maybe a more disciplined environment might help. I have found though that if I try to implement more discipline at work that everything is too hard and younger people just decide to leave and go back to being unemployed. What I don't believe will work is giving them bigger benefits. To me that is just reinforcing their current beliefs about where regular work is as a life priority.
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Tagit" it starts with education at school.NO DISCIPLINE students can do what when and how they like,give them a detention do not turn up then what? send a note home?parents do not care. We have a society of children raising children to be fair there are a lot of good young parents around who have morals and work ethetics,but I suggest they have parents with the same standards.
Bit like  our fish we have fish down to a certain size now,we have dumbed down parents/education given children rights where you and I + many more would of received a boot up the rare.
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Nothing will change until paying people to do nothing ends. Take away the dole and it is survival, only way to sort out this mess.
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Mind set in N.Z is, Leave it to the government--they will sort it out.
Naive and scary.
Half the people are happy to work and the other half are happy to let them work.
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